Does anyone have the stack sizes for the hand where he flatted 7s with what I remember being right at 19BB? I saw it on CBS all access but can't find the HH anywhere in the reporting feed and wanted to run it in ICMIZER since I am confident the flat was pretty horrible. If anyone has a link to the live report of it or can just copy it down (assuming you have CBS all access) I would be very grateful.

Thanks!

How can ICMIZER evaluate whether or not a flat is horrible? I didn't think it went into postflop play.

He probably has a huge skill advantage postflop against some random in the Monster and it isn't a bad play because ICMIZER doesn't know what to do with it.

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600k/1.2M/1.2M

Chauve/39.8M - SB
Yaroshevskky/14M - BB
McCue-Unciano/90.7M
Ector/27.4M
Hanson/26M
Katayama/104M - BTN

McCue opens UTG to 2.4M with Ad8h
Hanson flats on BTN with 7h7C

Hu to flop (10.2M): AsTh5h

McCue 2.4M, Hanson folds

I saw this hand and though it was a weird play too with about 21 BB on the BTN. Even the announcers thought it was off. It looked like Hanson was just trying to ladder up vs winning the whole thing this but Hanson is a seasoned pro so who am I to judge.

Seems like a jam pre if people are opening wide enough but with icm... maybe flat is ok. Hmm though prolly just a fold if you are going to just fold to Cbets with overcards as this is better for lasting purposes.

Its Bart Hanson though. Isn’t he a solid cash game player. Not to be a hater but I feel being good at cash doesn’t relate to short stacks deep in an mtt. I feel being short in a tourny really lowers the skill factor to an extent.

Yeah, I think 77 is a fold pre if you are going to auto fold to all c-bets. 77 misses way too much to work as a flat.

Thinking about it again, I think jam is +EV

I think you can just examine the hand. It doesn't have to be Hanson messed up. Maybe the way he tried to play the hand didn't work. I'm not saying he's perfect, but when I watch HS games they call with hands the book says fold. But they are playing HS and I'm reading books.

He isn't always folding to a cbet when he misses. ATx is a pretty bad flop for him. I am not saying flat is the best play.

he has probably done alot correct aswell to reach that far.

It’s probably as simple as he thinks he doesn’t wanna rip and get it in ugly but he thinks vpip is higher ev than fold in that spot which could be right based on things
(Maybe he flops a set or gets a low board where he can make $ in some spots) it’s probably close and isn’t a huge ev diff anyway as long as oop guy isn’t super Aggro and knowing how to exploit this spot for max ex which is likely the case

Seems non-standard with the BB low stacked behind.But im now seeing that pio recommmends limping in early positions when <28BBs with certain hands so what "the book" advises cant be thrown out the window sometimes

How can a heads-up solver solve non-heads-up spots?

You can't analyze the play with a solver or ICM / Nash software. Of course you can flat hands in position with 20xBB, particularly with a big skill advantage as here.

I got this from "finding equilibrium" on Youtube,may not be pio could be range converter.Ill link it in a bit
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D2JebHBkAsk&t=640s
its at around 5.17

Didn't watch but it's really disingenuous (not you, but the clown who made this video) to call any sort of multiway preflop analysis "GTO".

The software to do that kind of analysis simply doesn't exist yet.

Not saying that it isn't possible for a GTO preflop strat to contain limps, assuming the multiway preflop solver did exist, but these problems as of now are still impossible to explicitly solve.

Was Hanson on the BTN or Katayama?

When our future Robot Overlords step up to take over, I guess they will find a few willing acolytes among you guys with your slavish devotion to your pio solvers. Here are a few truths no matter what your solver says about it:

You should not play your hands the same way all of the time. With many hands, your best course of action is to mix up your play. The only thing that should be consistent about your play is your bet sizing; you want to use consistent bet sizes so that the price you set to play the hand does not become a tell. Otherwise, you want to constantly shift gears, playing some hands more aggressively and others less so, in order to thwart the huds and confuse the villains about your holdings and intentions.

20 BB's is not as bad as it seems. You still have some flexibility. It is not necessary to go all in on any two cards that you decide to play.

There is nothing wrong with set-mining with a small pair in position, even if you are a little short stacked.