WSOP Main event day 1 hand that I was thinking about.

Background on Villains:
Villain 1: Stack 140K
Crazy laggy Russian. Showed up a bit and he has had a few big hands (he made a higher straight vs another player, and he flopped a set against me and I called him down with 2 pair (T83 board and I had T8 and he had 88).
We have seen him raise J6s in EP and his VPIP is probably 50% at this point. He is late 20s/early 30s

Villain 2: Stack 45K
Passive call station. He has been playing about 40% of hands. Hasn't shown much aggression and DOES NOT Fold. We don't know too much about him other than he is passive and calls a lot. He is in his late 50s/early 60s.

Blinds
200/300/300
Hero has 45K stack
Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with KK
Russian Limps, Hero raises to 1,400, Villain 2 calls, button calls, BB calls, and Russian Calls

Flop: 573
2 checks, Hero checks, Villain 2 checks, Button checks,

Turn: T
check, Russian leads for 3,500, hero calls, Villain 2 calls, 2 folds

River: 5
Russian Checks, Hero bets 6K, Villain 2 calls, Russian Shoves, Hero?


I realize, I should have bet the flop. Not betting the flop here being a definite mistake. I was trying not to play a big pot with so many other player involved, but we got to the river now.

Not so sure x flop is a mistake, I don't think we can cbet all our pairs especially with this many opponents. 88 seems like a more frequent bet than KK because of protection considerations.

If anything, betting river is more of a mistake than x flop. This texture sucks for you, and so does this spot.

AP, IDK but I don't think he x's too much 5x or a straight or a boat OTR, and V2 is super capped (he folds once in a while, right?), and a FD did miss plus can't you still rep 44-66, 88-99, AK, AQ something like that that'll fold?

Think you're a bit too high up in your range to fold.

Tell user12345 NH as you call and lose.

Also way bigger pre against the crazy limper. You've posted multiple hands recently where you take this too-small iso sizing against a limper and end up in gross multiway spots.

What is villain 1's check/shove range here on this river as played? Hero and V2 both look pretty weak. Hero did not c-bet a flop of all low cards, then called a half-pot bet on a board of T-5-3-7 with two diamonds. V2 checked flop and called getting 4:1 on the turn, but did not raise. Hero's river bet after villain's check looks like he's just taking a stab at the pot, and V2's call doesn't suggest that he has any kind of monster, so the check-shove is pretty much a classic squeeze play from an aggressive player with a big stack, figuring that neither opponent has a hand good enough to call with.

Villain 1 stabbed at the pot by leading the turn after it checked around on the flop. If he had something with real value like A-5 he would bet for value on the river and not checked, risking that it would check around. He could be playing it tricky and hoping for a bet so he can re-shove as a bluffy-looking value bet (of course), but it's far more likely that he's got at best A-T or something with one pair (which would explain the turn lead) or a fully busted draw. It sucks to lose this hand, but Hero played it pretty much like a trapping spot, hoping for no ace and no flush or straight draw, and got exactly the best possible board (except for the paired 5s). Now losing only to A5 or maybe K5ss, assuming the Russian could limp/call pre-flop with that, check UTG on the flop, and then take a stab with 3rd pair on the turn.

V1's range that beats KK is very small, and his range that you beat with KK seems very large. Very hard to fold here.

I mostly check flop here too.

River is a bit of a spot but against villain as described im prob making a crying call. Agree that checking river is good too.

I guess this is funny but unfortunately I don`t understand what does it mean ))

What`s the question OP, do you think he value c/jam Tx? Fold and move on imo.

I heard you're Russian (like the V...)

Bad joke, I'll see myself out

*crickets*

Why betting river is bad? .. I think the Russian don't has A5,33,77 or TT because he would lead river ( then the answer for the question is call his shove)… And the other player as calling station as described possibly has a T... Or maybe a pocket pair, so Why not take value from him ??

Puke. Since it the main, and there is player as bad as villain two, I let it go.

you still have 34K (did I get that right?). I would be aggravated, but so early, when your stack still has plenty of big blinds, with people at your table who are absolute stations, I would go just go away.

Especially if Russian Spewtard understands other villain is a station.

He's shoving over two players, including a calling station.

Sure he has a lot you beat, but I dump, and take a walk. Probably to the main casino and play video poker for 15-20 minutes before I come back.

So I think when I bet the river my hands looks like what it is (a Good T or an overpair to most thinking players). But with the call station in the hand, I want to be able to get value. I just didn't think the Russian player would get so out of line.

The results for those who are interested is that I folded and call station tank called with 44. Russian villain showed K3
It felt like the Russian was making a move but with the station behind me, I thought he might actually have a 5.

How can anyone possibly consider checking the river given your read? It's the most obvious value bet in the world even without reads, and the reads only make it a clearer bet. Anyone who thinks that isn't a bet should throw in the towel - poker clearly isn't for you.

That is a blatant lie. He pretty much snapcalled me after like 15 seconds and owned my soul. Thought even that passive fish would lay down his one-pair hands on the river for his tournament life (i had him covered) but I guess I got outplayed.

Regarding your fold i believe it is a good fold. It sucks but you have to...

Greetings from the Russian

haha

So V2 is better than OP thought or just the ultimate station?

Bet flop bet turn x river
As played you generate some extra ev by inducing bluff and think it’s a pretty easy call since he’s betting all his 5x plus otr

You are right about me probably betting most 5x on the river.

But I would honestly play all my sets this way (and all of them are in my range).

Reasoning behind checking all my sets on the river is - the pot is fairly small - we are extremly deep - I am greedy - I want all of it.

And obviously V2 is way better then me since he won the pot!

haha no to be honest i think V2 thought process was "weeee i have two pair how can i fold"

Sorry, I don’t know what your opponents have so I could only give advice based on incomplete information and assumptions

if i was russian villian I also consider open shoving the river which may get hero and the other villian out of the pot. I don't think we can call in the middle with KK against a 2x+ pot jam on that river. i don't think 44 can call either.

its over 50BB. quite a big pot.

i don't think hero could even call with AA on river here against a open shove.

Oop guy Checking sets like this otr to set up for river xr is pretty bad ip is gonna check behind very often here
It’s just a silly line for the oop guy and Not folding when all the guys repping is weirdly played sets

I was thinking the same thing. For him to have 33 or 77 here are the only reasonable seats he can have. 75 is a possibility as well. Very weird spot to check a set as I would check a lot of rivers here as well with KK. I decided that with the call station in the hand, I had to make a bet as I was missing too much value.

If the villain had been a different player, I may have checked.

Almost always calling river, especially when we don't block diamonds and v should mostly lead out 5x. I don't think we always want to call off with overpairs but we will have some with a diamond that make more sense to fold first.

In the bet flop camp, ESPECIALLY if there's a station and/or laggy players that are going to peel wide. If we bet flop we should thin field and can decide to bet turn or not based on runout.

I doubt it when he calls turn 5way