Oldsilver:

Do your ranges take into account that it is a tournament?

very doubtful a long time mtt specialist would do such a thing

Well, it's no so easy to put ICM for such a large tournament into PIO, as far as I know. Even far away from meaningful pay jumps, chips have a non linear value that isn't trivial to quantify...

yes i'm using MTT ranges

Great stuff Oldsilver. Interesting how the 4! Range changes with the button flat.

I get your point, it's not like I wrote unregister pre. Obviously you are on another level, I'm ok with that, your knowledge of the game is superior to mine, so I'm gonna keep posting until I get it right

Not a very interesting hand, but interesting spot.

Obviously in theory QQ is sqz+ flat vs 4b.

Firstly - does OP ever bluff squeeze in this spot in BB vs EP open, deep day 4 of the main? I would wager no given that OP is the type of player that folds QQ pre (suggesting OP leans tight/non battly)

Is the Young Euro reg aware that OP is a tight sort of player? If yes then it makes perfect sense to have no 4b bluffs and to pure fastplay AA.

There really is no need to look at solver outputs or anything - the dynamics tell me quite clearly that we are dealing with 2 ranges that contain no bluffs.

Vs every bet you defend a portion of your range. Theory maybe you squeeze 6-7% (e.g. AJo/KTs) in which case EP has some 4b bluffs and you defend QQ as you're quite high up. However if your sqz range is JJ+/AK, and V is aware of this, well then QQ is no longer that ridic of a hero fold.

Only OP can be sure of the dynamics and he should be honest about the spot to get a meaningful takeaway.

My 2 cents

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OP here, I thought about the hand a bit more since posting. I think folding is correct. I just don't see the player UTG 4 bet raising with a weak Ax suited type of hand based on the dynamics.

I think even if UTG had a hand like AQ/JJ, they wouldn't 4 bet and commit themselves. There is a small possibility that they have a weak hand, but after the 4 bet they are committed. I think he had the goods.

first off - congrats on running deep - hope you had a good cash!

I think the term 'young euro guy' is implying that they may* have the wherewithall to balance their range, although that gets harder to expect when you go deeper into a high stakes tournament

from the villian's perspective, your sizing, which seems fine, looks very 'squeezy' with the flat on the BTN and you sitting in the BB.

If it was me, before I make the 3Bet, looking at villian's stack size - a 4bet shove looks really tempting for their range - SO I would have to ask myself 'what do I do if they 4bet shove?'

if the answer is 'fold' then I might lean towards a flat and maybe hide the strength of your hand/find a way to realize your showdown value on good runouts.


I can see merit for your line too - hope you ended up with a meaty cash!

Young Euro guy with skinny pants has no need to balance his range deep in the WSOP. He can just always have it.

Fat hairy guy older gent from Ohio needs to have A5s in there imo