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01-12-2019 , 08:05 AM
PokerStars, $200 + $15 - Hold'em No Limit - 250,000/500,000 (62,500 ante) - 7 players
Hand delivered by Upswing Poker

UTG (Hero): 20,844,140 (42 bb)
MP: 14,616,042 (29 bb)
MP+1: 4,606,646 (9 bb)
CO: 5,087,796 (10 bb)
BU: 36,369,591 (73 bb)
SB: 15,192,830 (30 bb)
BB: 35,540,564 (71 bb)

Pre-Flop: (1,187,500) Hero is UTG with J J
Hero raises to 1,075,000, 2 players fold, CO 3-bets to 5,025,296 (all-in), BTN calls 5,025,296, 2 players fold, Hero ??

about 15th in chips. stack about average. 10 players to next payjump

in the last two orbits hero has raise/folded 4 times, thereof two times against co. In general he is probably rather too tight than to aggressive.
bu is at the table for ~10 hands. I donkt know why but for some reason he was marked as a strong reg, so lets assume he is.
To my right is a fish with a big stack if thats important for future ev or whatever.



I dont play a lot of tournaments and dont really know what ranges bu should be playing there. I could imagine you wanna have a shoving range with AK, QQ (JJ?) and a calling range with AA, KK, TT, 99, AQs (JJ, 88, AQo, AJs, KQs?)


call >> shove> fold ?
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01-12-2019 , 11:14 AM
Shove or fold spot. Calling is going to leave you with a 1:1 stack to pot ratio out of position.

Given the 4 raise folds in 2 orbits I think you gotta slam this in. CO can be shoving wider if he thinks you're too tight and BTN can flat a lot of hands and comfortably fold to your shove. It's not a fist pump spot, but I'd probably pile
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01-12-2019 , 11:24 AM
Ditto.
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01-12-2019 , 12:26 PM
Dangerous situation since Bu had awkward decision vs your stack. He may be flatting his entire playable range. Nonetheless, I’d jam here.
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01-12-2019 , 12:55 PM
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Originally Posted by dfjkdfef

in the last two orbits hero has raise/folded 4 times, thereof two times against co. In general he is probably rather too tight than to aggressive.




just to clarify this. I meant co (and not me) was rather too tight than to aggressive until the recent hands. But those hands are likely to be the only thing bu knows about co.
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01-12-2019 , 01:11 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by persianpunisher
Shove or fold spot. Calling is going to leave you with a 1:1 stack to pot ratio out of position.

this is what I was thinking (and therefore shoved). I play around a little bit with hrc and it very clearly prefers to call. But it assumes that I will just realize 100% percent of my equity postlop which is not going to happen as I am out of position and maybe even more important dont have AA, KK in my range.

some arguments pro calling:
As the pot is protected bu will not spew around too much if he misses his overcards on the flop (or if there are overcards to his weaker pairs) and I might be able to get some additional value from weaker pairs on some runouts. Shoving has the advantage of fe (exspecially against AQ) but will isolate me against bigger pairs (imo people are just 4betting AK there in bu´s situation)
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01-12-2019 , 01:13 PM
I imagine that his calling range has you dominated or flipping more than you’re dominating. It might be a fold for me.

What did you do?
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01-13-2019 , 01:24 AM
^^ apologies, I’ve just seen that you shoved. Without meaning to be results oriented....what was the result? ��
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01-13-2019 , 06:13 AM
Clear folf. What do you gain by shoving? Tere Are minimum aq type of hands. Btw If it would be BIG stack i would c with qqkkaa type of hands to induce shove.Maximum you Will get is flipping.
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01-13-2019 , 07:40 AM
I like a fold
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01-13-2019 , 11:18 AM
There are facts
You raise with UTG
10BB shoves
big stack overcalls
What could be short stack shoves ranges?
I think these type of MTT they are not an idiot and they are not shoving with a4s
I can give you that range could be AJs+88+, but it could be even more tighter. Shortstacks are scared UTG Opens!
Big stack has more room for play. He calls probably TT+ Aq+, but certanly he CALLS with AA and mayby even KK,QQ to induce smth

I think by shoving 40BB with JJ you won't gain anything. Best case you are flipping some ak

I think you shoved and run into aces and feel yourself like idiot-giving away 40Bb healthy stack
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01-13-2019 , 10:46 PM
Fold
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