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Old 06-28-2020, 10:37 AM   #1
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Why does pio raise As8s in this sim?

Ep 15% range vs btn 14% range. 30bb eff.

Board: 6h 3d 3c
Ep bets 38 into 63 (60%) Btn raises As8s 88% of the time.


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Old 06-28-2020, 11:27 AM   #2
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Re: Why does pio raise As8s in this sim?

I don't really know, but what I do know is Pio likes to be passive with hands that have a bdfd cos we preserve that bdfd equity by checking or calling whereas with no bdfd Pio is more aggressive.
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Old 06-28-2020, 04:01 PM   #3
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Re: Why does pio raise As8s in this sim?

Gotta have some bluffs and guess this one makes some
Sense unblocking a bunch of kx folds and blocking some 88 continues also unblocking all the hands that Cbet with some bds and has some equity vs continue range of like qq jj
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Old 06-28-2020, 06:00 PM   #4
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Re: Why does pio raise As8s in this sim?

You also fold out better Aces
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Old 06-29-2020, 10:59 AM   #5
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Re: Why does pio raise As8s in this sim?

Because there's more non pair hands in 15% then pairs. I don't understand the point of this solver - is this assuming the villain bets his whole range here and just bet folds to a raise? I mean theoretically if the villain will bet fold all non pair hands here then yeh raising makes sense but that's not reality.
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Old 06-29-2020, 11:08 AM   #6
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Re: Why does pio raise As8s in this sim?

The key concept here is duplication around the value region so that you have efficient bluffs. Not only the value region on the flop but also the value region of all your potential backdoor straights. If you didn't have bare 8x 9x Tx raising the flop then you would be left without bluffs when your backdoor 98, 87, T8 get there. The A kicker is selected because it has the best removal to villains value range and because his most likely floats are Ax. The spades are selected because villain is more likely to bet weak hands with backdoor flushes. So when you hold the spades it's more likely for him to have a bet fold.
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Old 06-29-2020, 04:51 PM   #7
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Re: Why does pio raise As8s in this sim?

Post screenshots of the flop cbetting strategy.

And use smaller raise sizings that chosen sizing will not be best in this spot. You can raise even wider and more diffusely across the occupied grid than your sim would imply.

This combo gets raised a lot because it's better than always folding it. When you do raise you rep a strong enough range (lots of 88-TT, A3, A6, some JJ, small amount of QQ) to allow combos like this one come along for the ride and get some folds now and more importantly on future streets you rep strong enough to sally forth your range for small to moderately small bets in most nodes where OOP player checks to you (and in theory he can't do much donking except on J+ turns) and get even more folds from stuff you're beating and when he does not xr turn or donk turn you force him into river node of the tree where he's mostly capped and yet you'll still be blocking the bulk of his fat value range in those river nodes, namely AA (which are sticking around on like all runouts and have essentially 0 incentive to ever 3b you OTF--AA are a massive part of his snapping range across rivers) and even A6, 88 which will have a tough time folding on lots of runouts. In the meantime when you do not improve you still retain at least some small amount of equity against his ranges which continues to the various rivers.

You're almost always gonna take a Barrel(Small)-Triple(All-in) subline on the turn and river when OOP goes x-c/x after continuing

If you use properly small raise sizing you should have somewhat similar properties for As7s, As9s but these want to raise a bit less often either because there less immediate benefit to getting OOP to fold (it's not nearly as nice to get OOP to b-f his own A9 when you yourself have A9 compared to when you have A8) or because the combo has worse removal effects further down the game tree (even with the backdoor straight door 77 are sheerly lower EV than 88 in OOPs range).

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Old 06-29-2020, 08:11 PM   #8
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Re: Why does pio raise As8s in this sim?

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The key concept here is duplication around the value region so that you have efficient bluffs. Not only the value region on the flop but also the value region of all your potential backdoor straights. If you didn't have bare 8x 9x Tx raising the flop then you would be left without bluffs when your backdoor 98, 87, T8 get there. The A kicker is selected because it has the best removal to villains value range and because his most likely floats are Ax. The spades are selected because villain is more likely to bet weak hands with backdoor flushes. So when you hold the spades it's more likely for him to have a bet fold.
Why is the call value for bd hearts significantly lower than the other bd flush draws while it's raise value is significantly higher?

Wouldn't the fact that you block A3s (the only 3x in their gto range) make it preferable both as a raise and as a call?

And I would think that early position opens have very few hands like 87s so that A8hh would not block their bet/folds much more than A8dd.
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Old 06-30-2020, 08:11 AM   #9
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Re: Why does pio raise As8s in this sim?

Flop cbetting stategy:



After giving pio multiple raise sizes it preferred 2.5x instead of 3x. Pio now raises all combos of a8s and a7s/a6s


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Old 06-30-2020, 04:48 PM   #10
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Re: Why does pio raise As8s in this sim?

It's interesting, but it isn't like you will lose a lot by raising with a bdfd and calling without one.
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Old Yesterday, 05:41 AM   #11
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Re: Why does pio raise As8s in this sim?

Did you remove the option for OOP to 3bet flop?
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Old Yesterday, 06:24 AM   #12
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Re: Why does pio raise As8s in this sim?

^ that’s pretty important too
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