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Originally Posted by Mr Rick
When we minraise with 20 to 30 bb's a 3-bet of 3x will take it to 6bb which we can call with much of our range. And that would be about 20% to 30% of the effective stack size (assuming our opponents have more).
If we raised to 2.5x a 3-bet of 3x would be to 7.5 bb's which would be 25% to 35% of the effective stack size. That would be reasonable with a 30 bb effective stack but not with 20 bb (at 35% the 3 bet would much more likely be all in). But still it would end up restricting post flop play at some point.
If we raised to 3x then a 3-bet would be to 9x and would likely would be a shove even at 30 bb effective stack.
So, we get to play post flop more which can be especially important vs either or both the blinds in position.
Similarly when we min raise we can do some things post flop that would be suspect if we hadn't min raised (e.g., on the turn our only choice would be to shove or check).
The other thing that comes up for me is that when there are one or more smaller stacks there is a chance they will shove no matter what our bet size. So if we don't have a hand we want to defend with, we get to save some chips. If we are happy to get it in, our bet sizing won't matter.
For me I go with 2.1x (rounding down) from 15 to 27 bb's, 2.25x (rounding up) from 27 to 40 bb's, 2.5x from 40 to 100 bb's and 3x over 100 bb's.
I do expect my raises at <= 20 bb's effective will generate 3-bet all-ins anyway. And some players like myself will 3-bet shove <= 25 bb's no matter the original raise size.
technically with 25-30bb stacks aren't we either 4bet jamming or folding? calling 3bets with a massive range disadvantage oop doesn't sound fun. Also if you get 3bet by someone oop they're probably making it 4x.
the reason for rfi sizing of 2.0-2.2 is we're playing to pick up blinds and antes. Going a little deeper we can think about it like this: i'd rather open 2x faced with a jam, i'd rather open 2x faced with wider ranged oop calls from blinds, i'd rather open 2x faced with any kind of 3bet, i'd rather open 2x faced with folds. Putting it like this it's easy to see it's the best strategy.
Keeping pots small also deters a lot of spazzy bluff plays from maniacs which can be seen as a positive and a negative at 25bb. Opening 2.5x a spazzy player in the blinds is way more likely to fight you postflop and put you in shitty situations. Being forced to play for stacks with a flopped top/mid pair vs check raise flop, turn shove by a maniac isn't fun with very little info. Smaller preflop sizing tend keep this kind of player more honest post flop as there's less gain.