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Originally Posted by KevinGChapman
You can't fold the turn bet with top pair and nut flush draw as well as a gutshot straight draw. You have too many outs.
But, on the turn you lose to AA, KK, AK, AJ, A9, A4, Q10, 99, JJ, KJ, K9, 44, K4 (unlikely), J4 (unlikely), and any two clubs -- so that's a lot of ways to lose.
A shove on the turn folds out only bluffs and maybe Kc-x.
A call-fold if you whiff the river and villain shoves is fine. Villain may not shove with three clubs on board, thinking that your turn call could be a made flush, so there is a good chance that if you just call the turn the river will go check-check and you have good enough showdown value that a call on the turn is probably good here.
Thanks, that helps. Another question is, if we call turn and brick river and gets checked to.. can we fold out some of the hands listed above by shoveing? Or do we always take our bad showdown value? We block some nutted hands that we can quite credibly rep. Villian might get to good of a price though