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Very stupid icm/final table spot Very stupid icm/final table spot

06-10-2018 , 02:42 PM
3 handed-
Me and 2nd place have almost even chips I’m at 750k he’s at like 650k 3rd place is 120k
2500
1500
1k

Sb is a pretty standard mtt Guy seems like he’s not like some fish but he’s not striking me as rly good or anything he’s been pretty Aggro pre

Anyway I’m in bb with red kk
He opens sb to 3x
I 3x his open and he calls pretty fast
10d 9d 3s

I checks I bet 1/3 he raises 3x leaving himself 500k behind and like probably about that in the middle

I try to play mostly gto and I’m quite sure pio will have me just jamming for value protection however exploitavtively idk if he xr that much 10x as he should or as much draws as he should se he has like some sets and 2pr for value
But it’s also a very sick spot to xr bc it’s rly bad to come close to busting my stack first and torching 500$

Hint I didn’t win otherwise it’s not a thread

Move to bbv? Idk?
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06-11-2018 , 02:08 AM
Is this with blinds of 2k/4k?

The action that you've provided seems to match up with something like that. Maybe 3k/6k. Either way, you're more than 100BB deep, which is really unusual when you're down to three players.

With shallower stacks, there's no way you let go of this. By the time you realize your KK is perhaps no good, such a huge majority of the chips are in the middle that you might as well chase a 2-outer or hope that he's on a crazy bluff.

But here, you've got time to process his very aggressive line while you still own the majority of your stack. His action is consistent with AA and TT, both of which have you crushed. He could be playing a few hands where you're flipping (i.e. AQd or JTd). Possibly getting stubborn with QQ or JJ, but that doesn't feel likely. And he could be assuming that you're capped with an overpair on a wet board - and he can scare you, no matter what he has. But your profile of him doesn't make that seem likely.

How much time did you take to evaluate, once he c/r-ed the flop? If you went through some version of this and decided you had enough equity to warrant playing on, don't sweat it.

If you insta-pushed chips in the middle because, damn it, you had KK, then it's worth telling yourself -- next time -- to spend a moment longer taking it all in.
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06-11-2018 , 10:55 AM
It’s like 70bb deep I forgot the actual level deeper than that it’s a pretty easy peel. But 70bs it’s pretty close/tough in a 3bpot
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06-11-2018 , 12:35 PM
Call flop decide turn
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06-11-2018 , 02:57 PM
I hate when people post hands like this. Half in BB and half in numbers.

So assuming the action was, he raised to 12K and you 3 bet to 36K. Then you bet ~ 30K and he popped it to ~90K. You call and reevaluate on the turn.
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06-11-2018 , 08:07 PM
Cbet moar imo on this texture..can't fold now since he could be raising worse hands for value and can have a ton of draws. At FT I think I just call the c/r then call off any turn with the exception of non-diamond A.
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06-12-2018 , 07:41 AM
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Originally Posted by erc007
Cbet moar imo on this texture..can't fold now since he could be raising worse hands for value and can have a ton of draws. At FT I think I just call the c/r then call off any turn with the exception of non-diamond A.
This, people tend to forget that flatting in such a precise spot is indeed an option. Re evaluate ott. Knowing that he doesnt seem to be spasi, i doubt he would do that with QQ JJ, more like fd+pair or fd+2overs (you block the Kd). But obvsly 1010 is also part of his range. Doubt he would call that fast pre with AA without taking time to think abt his options
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06-12-2018 , 12:37 PM
Definitely tilt posted this but do agree with just betting 3/4 or full pot on this board w kk.
1092 is kinda interesting bc his range will hit pretty ok here but the 2 rly hurts doesn’t hit at all
so in game I figured I could basically bet everything here and not do much checking but after further review I think taking two sizings probably looks better to bet like a10+ and some good draws at 75% and bet like 1/3 with the rest of my hands and mix it up
Looking back it’s rly hard for him check raise anything else but his monsters bc he’s pretty capped and it’s rly silly for him to bust out w some bluff draw bc of icm.
If I’m just trying to play gto I think my lines good. If I’m never folding ott But i thnik flop its pretty interesting on b //3b for value protection vs call down or explo folding.
It’s a pretty big diff between 3rd and first and lolskillsifference
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06-12-2018 , 08:50 PM
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Originally Posted by PhatPots
I hate when people post hands like this. Half in BB and half in numbers.

So assuming the action was, he raised to 12K and you 3 bet to 36K. Then you bet ~ 30K and he popped it to ~90K. You call and reevaluate on the turn.

except OP says there's 500k in the middle after V's xr....anyway agreed really hard to analyze butchered HHs


I also like call and re-eval ott...

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Originally Posted by erc007
then call off any turn with the exception of non-diamond A.
I think we can fold the 8d...7d and Jd are kinda nasty but we prob have to just gii
(talking in the context of a FT spot that is)
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