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03-05-2018 , 08:33 AM
Thoughts here on my turn decision? I struggle to quickly calculate certain spots and struggled here. I think a call is the correct play, but unsure. Seemed marginal.

Poker Stars, $50 Buy-in (800/1,600 blinds, 200 ante) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 9 Players
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SB: 117,643 (73.5 bb)
Hero (BB): 75,844 (47.4 bb)
UTG+1: 50,763 (31.7 bb)
UTG+2: 147,163 (92 bb)
MP1: 70,179 (43.9 bb)
MP2: 48,060 (30 bb)
MP3: 63,755 (39.8 bb)
CO: 25,901 (16.2 bb)
BTN: 50,817 (31.8 bb)

Preflop: Hero is BB with J K
2 folds, MP1 raises to 4,800, MP2 calls 4,800, MP3 calls 4,800, 2 folds, SB calls 4,000, Hero calls 3,200

Flop: (25,800) 2 Q T (5 players)
SB checks, Hero checks, MP1 bets 16,000, MP2 calls 16,000, 2 folds, Hero calls 16,000

Turn: (73,800) 7 (3 players)
Hero checks, MP1 checks, MP2 bets 27,060 and is all-in, Hero ???,

Thanks.
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03-06-2018 , 04:28 AM
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Originally Posted by Percyeus86
Thoughts here on my turn decision? I struggle to quickly calculate certain spots and struggled here. I think a call is the correct play, but unsure. Seemed marginal.

Poker Stars, $50 Buy-in (800/1,600 blinds, 200 ante) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 9 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #37932104

SB: 117,643 (73.5 bb)
Hero (BB): 75,844 (47.4 bb)
UTG+1: 50,763 (31.7 bb)
UTG+2: 147,163 (92 bb)
MP1: 70,179 (43.9 bb)
MP2: 48,060 (30 bb)
MP3: 63,755 (39.8 bb)
CO: 25,901 (16.2 bb)
BTN: 50,817 (31.8 bb)

Preflop: Hero is BB with J K
2 folds, MP1 raises to 4,800, MP2 calls 4,800, MP3 calls 4,800, 2 folds, SB calls 4,000, Hero calls 3,200

Flop: (25,800) 2 Q T (5 players)
SB checks, Hero checks, MP1 bets 16,000, MP2 calls 16,000, 2 folds, Hero calls 16,000

Turn: (73,800) 7 (3 players)
Hero checks, MP1 checks, MP2 bets 27,060 and is all-in, Hero ???,

Thanks.
Ok, you are indeed drawing to the nuts on a rainbow flop and have implied odds to get both stacks when you hit. But you also have to pay a 1.6x pot size bet that represents more than 21% of your entire stack.
With the implied odds, I think the flop cold call is debatable.
Easy decision ott though, -> fold
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03-06-2018 , 05:21 AM
I calling flop and folding turn
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03-06-2018 , 07:03 AM
Yeah folded turn. River was A.
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03-06-2018 , 09:26 AM
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Originally Posted by Percyeus86
Yeah folded turn. River was A.
In that case, easiest call ever.
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03-06-2018 , 11:54 AM
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Originally Posted by Shortfuse
In that case, easiest call ever.
Haha.
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03-06-2018 , 11:58 AM
You likely have 0 fold equity on the flop so it's definitely call or fold. With two players and closing the action, I'd definitely call here and hope to realize my implied odds. With an A you might get stacks, whereas with a 9 you might not get any more chips.

As far as the turn, yeah, easy fold.
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03-10-2018 , 07:50 AM
So nobody is 3betting here pre. What would our 3betrange look like then?

Otf we have 9 combos that wish to raise for value. Do we want to have balance here? If so hero needs to raise some (not all) KJ or J9 combos too. Obv the amount of bluffs we can have depends on our 3betting range pre.

Definately don’t hate just calling with amazing odds pre and flop isn’t bad either although we are often getting to see only one more card when we don’t hit and we need to give up decent equity ott.
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03-15-2018 , 04:53 PM
Preflop there is more than 20k in the pot and it is 70k effective. Standard 3 bet sizing is allin, shoving range is tight and has a lot of folding equity. Would need info about open raiser and first flatter, but I'm pretty sure KJs has more value as a shove than flat. Since it is multiway pot, this hand won't make much profit with top pairs or 8-9 out draws like open-ender or flushdraw. We would like to hit combodraw or 2p+ and many suited hands draw better; this hand will be typical example what happens with normal good flops - we will have slightly +EV situations to put more chips in the pot. As played flop is close between call or shove, call is way better than fold, since we need to win 96k pot to get direct pot odds and it is already close. Turn is not as clear fold as people seem to make it, 8 clean outs already give almost enough equity and kings might be good too, there is some upside if MP1 clicks call after us and some downside if MP1 reraises.
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03-19-2018 , 06:57 AM
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Originally Posted by Gettingood
So nobody is 3betting here pre. What would our 3betrange look like then?

Otf we have 9 combos that wish to raise for value. Do we want to have balance here? If so hero needs to raise some (not all) KJ or J9 combos too. Obv the amount of bluffs we can have depends on our 3betting range pre.

Definately don’t hate just calling with amazing odds pre and flop isn’t bad either although we are often getting to see only one more card when we don’t hit and we need to give up decent equity ott.
Why 3betting when we ll be puking once we got 4bet jammed on pre?
Your hand plays well post flop but not that great pre.
The fact that we are 3p going to the flop gives even more postflop value to our hand. In that precise spot, being oop but drawing to the nuts, a passive line is certainly the best way to realise our equity. (we are less than 40% vs top pair)
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03-20-2018 , 01:22 PM
Pretty standard fold.

As for what should our 3bet range be pre, this is a good spot to have a polarized 3bet range. We 3bet 99+, AQ+ for value and bluff with lower offsuit broadways (KQ, AT, AJ) that don't play well enough multiway to justify flatting.

Suited connectors, one-gappers and small pairs we flat for implied odds.
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03-23-2018 , 04:37 AM
After thinking about this some more I agree that we should flat KJs but I would 3bet KJo.

If we have 0 fe I’d just call exploitatively otf with KJ but if villains can fold even small portion of their ranges, remaining KJ combos are good candidates for bluffing here. Although I must admit that mp2 likely isn’t folding too much in this spot.
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