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TT on the BTN after LP Squeeze TT on the BTN after LP Squeeze

10-12-2018 , 08:58 AM
Playing in a $100/$100K multi-day donkament. Ended up bagging a pretty sizable stack for Day 2, so I'm not being results oriented here by any means.

It's around level 6 or so. Starting stack is 16k, so at this point at 400/800/800, people are starting to get a bit more shallow already. Table is your typical low-buy in donkament limpfest from what I've seen, although I joined it within the last 45 minutes. People are limp/folding and limp/calling plenty. Haven't seen anyone limp/rr yet. Table is 10-handed

-- UTG+1 limps 800, he has about 15bbs or so. He's among the limp/callers mentioned above.
-- LJ limps, has about 50 bigs, is an old lady who limp/calls her entire range except QQ-AA. She's already limp/called AJ/AQ/AK at least once each that I've seen. Super fish and super stationy postflop.
-- CO is a 50ish white guy, who's the table chip leader with about 75 bigs, squeezes to about 5.5x. Haven't seen anything out of him to

Hero on BTN with TT. Has been pretty quiet and has about 38 bigs. I nearly doubled up with KK over an AJo shove from EP. Other than that I've been mostly card dead.

First decision point: Fold/Call/Shove?

Fold: CO may be squeezing wider but first limper could be shoving. LJ could still be strong, but other than JJ I doubt I'm ever behind her here, although I'm sure she calls with AK/AQ.

Call: I should be pretty far ahead of CO's squeeze range, but a call possibly sends me to the flop 3 or even 4-ways with a vulnerable hand. His 5.5x is pretty large for a squeeze, though. A call here should force UTG+1 to either fold or jam his hand.

Shove: As mentioned, I should be pretty far ahead of CO's squeeze range here, but shoving allows him to play perfectly and I think LJ is likely to call here since she covers me. She could potentially have smaller pairs than me but I feel like two broadway cards are more likely and I think she's only folding QJ or a blocked JT. I'm not 100% sure what UTG+1 is planning to do either, even though I cover him.

So I decide to call and, looking back, I'm not sure if that wasn't the worst option of the 3. It's not what I'd normally do but the weird dynamic of the UTG+1 short stack limp and the LJ made me feel like UTG+1 was going to either shove, and then I could back-shove if LJ+CO flatted, or if he folded then I would take my chances with a range advantage and hope for a low flop against 1 or 2 of the other players.

Action picks up: UTG+1 shoves. LJ calls without much hesitation. CO squeezes yet again, shipping it. I fold pretty quickly at this point, and LJ calls yet again for her remaining stack. Jesus, $100 donkaments.

Funny result:
Spoiler:
UTG+1 AJo
LJ AKo
CO A9o

Flop AQ5
Turn K
River J

Hero obviously has a huge stack if he calls the shove, being results oriented.

CO busts like 10 minutes later and I bust old lady a few levels later with a suckout ATo > AJo after she limp/called my squeeze shove for her last 12 bigs.

Last edited by HawkesDave; 10-12-2018 at 09:04 AM.
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10-12-2018 , 09:45 AM
1) As a point of clarification, CO is not squeezing, he is raising limpers. Squeezing is putting in a 3bet after a raise and a call.

2) CO probably has a range of 10% -15% area for the most part.

3) With 20BBs and this action, I would shove all in with TT. The positives are that there is tons of potential dead money in the pot, and you are ahead of everyone's ranges, even the tighter of the ranges from the CO.

This would only change with reads that the CO is weak/passive and only raising premium hands. In that case, TT becomes a fold, but without that read, I would say it is probably a mistake to not shove TT here.
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10-12-2018 , 09:52 AM
I had about 38bbs, not 20. Can't 3b over 5.5x unless it's a shove, but it's a 38bb shove.

(yes, I guess it should be an open over limpers and not a squeeze. Used the term more in referring to the widened range, but you're correct that it's not a squeeze)

Last edited by HawkesDave; 10-12-2018 at 10:16 AM.
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10-12-2018 , 10:33 AM
I'd play it as played.

No need to risk your stack in a flip situation in a table that looks filled with recreational players.

I would painfully call UTG+1 shove if there are no reshoves before me. And play flop straightforwardly, fold to overs and ship it in on low flops.

As the action went, you had no choice. As it happened CO had the lowest hand of his range (I hope for him at least)
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10-12-2018 , 04:59 PM
[QUOTE=HawkesDave;54363142]I had about 38bbs, not 20. /QUOTE]

Mistook the "starting stack 16k" in your original post as your stack.

Doesn't make it as clear cut as a 20BBs stack, but I still think it's a shove. You still are ahead of the range and there is still about 25% of your stack in the middle.

Last edited by jjpregler; 10-12-2018 at 05:04 PM.
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10-13-2018 , 06:45 AM
Agree with brother Biggali on this. Well explained.

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Originally Posted by BiggAli
I'd play it as played.

No need to risk your stack in a flip situation in a table that looks filled with recreational players.

I would painfully call UTG+1 shove if there are no reshoves before me. And play flop straightforwardly, fold to overs and ship it in on low flops.

As the action went, you had no choice. As it happened CO had the lowest hand of his range (I hope for him at least)
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10-17-2018 , 08:36 PM
Yep seems like hand is WP
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10-18-2018 , 03:30 PM
What about a 3-bet sized to put UTG all-in?

UTG would probably call, and in the unlikely case that LJ or CO 4-bet, you can make a decision to get it in right there or even fold with a manageable re-shove stack of ~23 BB.

If one or more of the bigger stacks flat, you can re-evaluate the flop and decide if you want to invest any further.
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10-19-2018 , 07:31 PM
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Originally Posted by americanbj27
What about a 3-bet sized to put UTG all-in?
stack size is a little awkward. if we raise to 16BB then we prob can't fold the 22BB remaining as we're priced to call any CO reshove range that includes AK. we'd be better off shoving.

10BB 3! is an option I guess. it would certainly appear super strong. however, SPR sucks post and i'm not sure Hero can fold with 28BB remaining getting 2/1 against your typical numpty 50yo LAGtard.

calling is the best option. the limpers are quite likely to fold or call rather than jam. if 16BB does jam and CO calls, then I think it's reasonable to shove to iso at this point also. there are many situations where the hand plays out to your advantage, and TT has a ton of value in spots where opponents share outs (Ax v Ax v Ax etc).

folding is also quite defensible if CO has a reasonably strong range and UTG has a history of limp/jamming. you've spotted that potential. however, CO seems aggro and no-one has limp/jammed yet.

in all, the hand is played fine. Hero has a strong hand and position, but situational factors can't be ignored. prob one of those rare spots where virtually every Hero option has similar equity.
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