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Tough Spot with Overpair Tough Spot with Overpair

07-18-2018 , 11:52 AM
villain is great reg running 18/11 with few hands.

I sattyed into this tourney for 88 and is the first tourney I have ever played above 20 fwiw, not used to playing such good regs.

No Limit Hold'em Tournament T750/T1,500
Buy-in: PHAT - $40,000 GTD
Winning Poker Network
8 players
Formatted by pokercopilot.com: Poker HUD for Mac and Windows

Stacks:
UTG - UTG (T23,458)
UTG+1 - UTG+1 (T66,522)
MP - Hero (T56,507)
MP2 - MP2 (T53,650)
CO - CO (T45,245)
BTN - BTN (T57,063)
SB - SB (T91,867)
BB - BB (T36,202)

Preflop: (T3,450, 8 players) Hero is MP with Js Jc
2 folds, Hero raises to T3,000, 3 folds, SB raises to T10,990, 1 fold, Hero calls T7,990

Flop: 6s 4s 5h (T24,680, 2 players - Hero: T45,367, SB: T80,727)
SB bets T18,510, Hero calls T18,510

Turn: 2h (T61,700, 2 players - Hero: T26,857, SB: T62,217)
SB raises to T62,217 (all-in),
Spoiler:
Hero calls T26,857 (all-in), Uncalled bet of T35,360 returned to SB

River: 6h (T115,414, 2 players, 1 all-in - Hero: T0, SB: T35,360)

Total Pot: T115,414
Hero shows Js Jc (with Two pairs. Js and 6s)
SB shows 7c Ac (with One pair of 6s)

Hero wins T115,414 with Two pairs. Js and 6s

Pre: not trying to get into a x-betting war pre, so I think calling is pretty standard IP. Maybe if OOP, putting into our 4-bet bluff range?

OTF: Even though the c-bet is massive I don't think that we can fold. He's pricing us in to have to call a turn bet which is a spot that I am not used to. Considering he is shoving all turns likely, do I just choose to go with it or not OTF. Can I ever fold here? Just seems really weak to fold when he can clearly still have air.

OTT: As I said above, I think I have to call on anything other than an A or K turn after calling the massive cbet. I guess he's just saying he has AA KK maybe QQ. I think that I fold TT here, but fold that on the flop? Not overvaluing an overpair is something that is very hard for me to do and def a big leak. IDK how many times that I call here and get showed KK and feel like an idiot.
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07-18-2018 , 04:07 PM
NH sir. You passed the test.
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07-18-2018 , 04:18 PM
This seems like a pretty standard 4-bet gii. At a deeper stack depth I could see the argument for flatting and taking a flop in position. Villains' stats are fairly aggressive and he is chip leader so I would weight his 3-bets quite heavily towards bluffs. Also his 3-bet is on the larger side. He is oop, but I would expect a value raise here to be a bit smaller (maybe to $9,500 or so). I would anticipate a 4-bet taking it down most of the time, which is a decent result here.

I suppose there's an argument for allowing villain to dump off more chips to you post flop, which it looks like he did, but with JJ you're gonna be in a lot of tough spots post-flop with an awkward stack depth. I would love a flat pre here with KK or AA more.

As played I'm never folding any street post-flop.
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07-19-2018 , 12:11 AM
If this is a good reg, what's a bad one? +1 to gii pre, stop being so scared of 3bets from SB.
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07-19-2018 , 12:37 AM
Yeah like everyone said if the player is good he will more often than not put you in difficult scenarios and apply a lot of pressure on you to fold medium strength hands. Against players that are a more well rounded player you’re better off neutralizing the skill aspect from them and force them out of their comfort zone to play large pots without a lot of build up to the action. Very strange line from villain would he really play an over pair this way? It doesn’t seem like one since with 4 to a straight on board you’d have to think he’d be afraid that this board would hit you more then him. Something about his sizing and the way the action went down just doesn’t seem to add up, in my opinion you either had you the whole and 2 on the turn changed nothing, or he’s running some bizarre bluff.
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07-19-2018 , 05:26 AM
reminds the strange hand from the recent high-roller EPT:
https://youtu.be/og0dqA-ytqo?t=570
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07-19-2018 , 03:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Shortfuse
If this is a good reg, what's a bad one? +1 to gii pre, stop being so scared of 3bets from SB.

Ya, I agree, probably a instance of scared moneydeep in such a big buy in for me, fwiw i think i shove in more comfortable stakes.
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07-19-2018 , 03:32 PM
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Originally Posted by UntimelyBluff
Very strange line from villain would he really play an over pair this way? It doesn’t seem like one since with 4 to a straight on board you’d have to think he’d be afraid that this board would hit you more then him.
How else would he play an overpair? I think its pretty reasonable way to place kings or aces as ts pretty obvious we have a middling pocket pair 99-Jj.

I dont think the 4 straight is relevant as we both dont have any 3x except him maybe having A3s but bery unlikely
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