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07-16-2018 , 12:48 PM

Percyeus86

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Thoughts on the shove here? Edit: SB v BTN not CO v BTN (thanks Dave)

Poker Stars, $9.80 Buy-in (10,000/20,000 blinds, 2,000 ante) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 9 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #37935059

MP2: 429,648 (21.5 bb)
MP3: 260,218 (13 bb)
CO: 149,980 (7.5 bb)
BTN: 589,247 (29.5 bb)
Hero (SB): 269,774 (13.5 bb)
BB: 1,351,672 (67.6 bb)
UTG+1: 435,604 (21.8 bb)
UTG+2: 1,058,880 (52.9 bb)
MP1: 637,901 (31.9 bb)

Preflop: Hero is SB with 7

6 folds, BTN raises to 40,000, Hero raises to 267,774 and is all-in, BB folds, BTN calls 227,774

Flop: (573,548) J

(2 players, 1 is all-in)
Turn: (573,548) T

(2 players, 1 is all-in)
River: (573,548) 2

(2 players, 1 is all-in)

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Last edited by Percyeus86; 07-16-2018 at 12:59 PM.

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07-16-2018 , 12:53 PM

HawkesDave

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Looks good but it’s not BTN vs CO.

Not a slam dunk with the BB having a big stack (you can take napkins out of his range) but still think you’re good to jam.

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07-16-2018 , 12:58 PM

Percyeus86

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Originally Posted by HawkesDave

Looks good but it’s not BTN vs CO.

Not a slam dunk with the BB having a big stack (you can take napkins out of his range) but still think you’re good to jam.

Oops, you're right! Don't know where I got that from.

Cheers mate.

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07-16-2018 , 01:15 PM

wait

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Of course totally standard

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07-16-2018 , 01:15 PM

2pairsof2s

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Since this is the Sunday Storm, I would estimate that your 3-bet has 0% fold equity. When you take that into consideration, Your A-7 suited is pretty borderline for a push IMO.

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07-16-2018 , 01:37 PM

Percyeus86

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Originally Posted by 2pairsof2s

Since this is the Sunday Storm, I would estimate that your 3-bet has 0% fold equity. When you take that into consideration, Your A-7 suited is pretty borderline for a push IMO.

Funny you should say that - that is the first thing that crossed my mind before I jammed. I sometimes make the mistake of giving players far too much credit this deep into tournaments of this ilk. After seeing some of the play up to this point, I think this might have been a mistake.

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07-16-2018 , 01:40 PM

HawkesDave

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There’s plenty of hands bad players will call here that still make this +EV. Fold equity is not required for this to be a profitable play.

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07-17-2018 , 12:47 PM

fro_dude

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Originally Posted by 2pairsof2s

Since this is the Sunday Storm, I would estimate that your 3-bet has 0% fold equity. When you take that into consideration, Your A-7 suited is pretty borderline for a push IMO.

I don't think FE is applicable when holding this hand in particular. I think all A8+, 66+, etc. are calling anyway.

There are definitely spots where this would need to be a consideration for sure, I'm just not sure this is one of them.

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07-18-2018 , 10:13 AM

nomalice

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07-19-2018 , 09:16 AM

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cizixap

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Originally Posted by 2pairsof2s

Since this is the Sunday Storm, I would estimate that your 3-bet has 0% fold equity.

Hi,
I never played the sunday storm, but come across it all the time in PS. What are the peculiarities of this tournament that make FE lean towards 0?

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07-19-2018 , 10:37 AM

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Percyeus86

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Originally Posted by cizixap

Hi,
I never played the sunday storm, but come across it all the time in PS. What are the peculiarities of this tournament that make FE lean towards 0?

It's a donkfest.

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07-19-2018 , 01:57 PM

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2pairsof2s

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Originally Posted by fro_dude

So you are saying that generally speaking, ripping 13 BB's into a button raise creates no fold equity? I might have to disagree with you there. Unless you are talking about the Storm only, in which case you are agreeing by disagreeing, I guess.

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07-19-2018 , 02:33 PM

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HawkesDave

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I think he's saying the opposite of what you're implying, actually.

Someone else argued that the OP wouldn't generate any fold equity because of it being the Storm and fro_dude is stating (as did I and I think 1 or 2 others) that the fold equity in this spot isn't as needed for it to be a profitable shove over a BTN raise. Even with reduced FE because of it being a donkfest, this is still a profitable spot to shove. If anything, he's agreeing with you more than you realize.

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