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01-14-2019 , 05:25 AM
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Originally Posted by wynner88888
On reflection of my thought process in the latter hand that posted - I think the mistake begins with overvaluing top pair top kicker. I must have immediately assumed that I would finish the hand strongest and therefore let the hand play out instead of killing it with a big raise on the flop and turn. I gave him a free turn card and cheap river, hoping to get bluffed on the river.

So the lesson must be to kill the pot quickly in this situation and not get attached to my hand. I got excited when the ace came out on the flop and wanted to maximise value by disguising my hand. Rather than excited I should have been cautious of 2 pair and sets, and not seen it as a spot to maximise value. I flopped a full house with AQ earlier in the tournament - played the hand the same way as this one and doubled up. It can be a profitable play with the nuts. I severely overvalued AA with K kicker.

I often instant check when playing from the blinds out of position, but it was a mistake to do so from utg when I needed to bet flop.
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01-19-2019 , 07:56 AM
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Originally Posted by wowsooooted
why did you do it bro?
I hate to lose chips knowing that I wouldn’t have lost them if I had played the hand better. I also don’t like folding when I’m not 100% certain I have the worst hand, because so often I’m ahead.

Some of my major flaws right there.
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01-19-2019 , 07:59 AM
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Originally Posted by bearer
But flop bet or check, turn bet or check, these decisions are relatively minor and relatively close/debateable and all are +EV. The gross error was the river 3b all in after you knew you'd been outdrawn.

So the solution is not to work out how not to be outdrawn because you will be outdrawn whether you play perfectly or not. You need to learn how to react rationally in the event of the outdraw but I know how you feel, perceived mistakes leading to bad outcomes feels way worse. However a) flop and turn weren't "mistakes" b) throwing good money after bad is irrational c) everybody gets outdrawn all the time, this is the game you chose
Key points that I need to accept/implement.
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01-20-2019 , 06:18 AM
Was on the final table bubble w 55 and 20bb. I shoved from CO ... BU reshoved with 30bb and SB flatbed with 25bb ... 55 KK AK... I felt pretty bad about that one.
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01-20-2019 , 10:54 PM
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Originally Posted by bearer
But flop bet or check, turn bet or check, these decisions are relatively minor and relatively close/debateable and all are +EV. The gross error was the river 3b all in after you knew you'd been outdrawn.

So the solution is not to work out how not to be outdrawn because you will be outdrawn whether you play perfectly or not. You need to learn how to react rationally in the event of the outdraw but I know how you feel, perceived mistakes leading to bad outcomes feels way worse. However a) flop and turn weren't "mistakes" b) throwing good money after bad is irrational c) everybody gets outdrawn all the time, this is the game you chose
really smart post mate

we can aspire to play perfectly, but the truth is none of us do

but if you can make every decision a rational and calculated one, and sit calmly making the best possible decisions in hands even when they run against you, then at least your current technical skill level is the only thing determining results (ignoring variance)
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01-21-2019 , 06:25 AM
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Originally Posted by oldsilver
really smart post mate

we can aspire to play perfectly, but the truth is none of us do

but if you can make every decision a rational and calculated one, and sit calmly making the best possible decisions in hands even when they run against you, then at least your current technical skill level is the only thing determining results (ignoring variance)
Which may require a deep understanding and acceptance of variance.
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01-21-2019 , 07:20 PM
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Originally Posted by wynner88888
Which may require a deep understanding and acceptance of variance.
Just lose any magical thinking and accept that odds are the same for everybody. There’s nothing ‘deep’ about it.

gl at the tables. I think you’ll also be less impulsive as your skill level improves and you have a wider arsenal to bring to the game. For example, you’ll be far less likely to impulsively shove if you have a really solid 3bet and continuation strategy mapped out.
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01-24-2019 , 11:10 AM
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Originally Posted by jl121
Read the book "Choke" by Sian Beilock to get an idea of what's going on physiologically when you, well, choke like this. And that's what I'd characterize your play in these hands as--a choke.
Thanks man. Will check this up. I act impulsively sometimes ending my tournament life and wondering at why I did that. Any hint what techniques you are talking about?
Thanks
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