My image is active and probably still spewy. I have tightened up recently but not sure if they've noticed. Limper limps enough that im not worried about him limping a big pair.


Poker Stars $100+$9 No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t75/t150 Blinds - 8 players
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CO: t3341 22.27 BBs
Hero (BTN): t4805 32.03 BBs
SB: t14999 99.99 BBs
BB: t4121 27.47 BBs
UTG: t4070 27.13 BBs
UTG+1: t2013 13.42 BBs
MP1: t4240 28.27 BBs
MP2: t4488 29.92 BBs

Pre Flop: (t225) Hero is BTN with 8 8
2 folds, MP1 calls t150, 2 folds, Hero raises to t500, 1 fold, BB calls t350, MP1 calls t350

Flop: (t1575) 3 5 Q (3 players)
BB checks, MP1 checks, Hero bets t975, BB folds, MP1 calls t975

Turn: (t3525) A (2 players)
MP1 checks, Hero bets t3330 all in,

Thoughts on all streets?

Pre seems like a standard iso against the limper. Im a little concerned about BB flatting but this being the euro 109 Im not assuming a big hand.

Flop seems standard b/f but maybe someone likes something else

Turn seems like the nut worst card so I hope he thinks the same thing and so I ship. We like?

I usually overlimp here as a default.

Are you b/c flop? If not, than I like to make is a little less otf. Something like 850 seems better. It's actually probably better weather you going to b/f or b/c, really.

As played I don't think I like the turn shove. He's not folding a Q here often enough, and now he'll be more inclined to call with his 9s/Ts sort of junk that picked up FDs (this goes for weaker Qs too, but to a lesser extent cause ppl don't fold anyway).

Just overlimp pre ---> flop sets ---> win, pussies

dicey spot for sure, but how can anyone hate your line postflop given the iso. I think in general Id much rather iso with hands like KTs that have more flopability than 88, however im snap isoing with 99+ so w/e.

I guess its a function of how spazzy the euros are postflop whether its better to limp behind or iso. If they're real bad and will stack off easily with top pair to our sets, then I would suppose our edge is greater just limping behind pre.

Dont dislike yur line pre at all, debatable but depending as mentioned.
I think you'll have a hard time getting on the right side with your river shove, but not sure. Considering the linmp call oop and flop call you can very well be on the good side of it man times enough to make it efficient. just have to assume the guys useless.

I'm def raising this pre, we lose so much equity by letting the bb see a free flop and maybe sb. +he's probably limp calling hands that have <40% equity and we want him to put more chips in with them. Betting or checking flop is fine and I do both, on the turn I'd just give up, as said he's probably calling with a Q a fair bit and he can have a flush pretty easily

Can't imagine how you got that image. I like 375 pre, and would bet the flop too, but less. I don't really like shoving turn. I think he calls too many Q/spade hands and you have no equity when called.

I'd definitely iso pre too, dont think its close tbh with 8

Turn is meh, cant imagine him folding much better

Chuck, like the iso, hate the bluff; turns your hand face-up, which is the last thing you want to do in a spot like this.

waaaat?

yea...wat?

If anything are are primarily repping a hand we dont have

that said I dont liek the turn shove when the draw completes as he doesnt expect you to do that with a flush(i would think) and he prob looks you up light. The only hand he should be scared of that has improved is AK/AJ

I think our line looks pretty bluffy with a jam OTT ... think about what else we could have. A flush? Not likely with our line pre.

i make it a little smaller pre (and think iso is 100% standard with 88). gives you more possibilities postflop and doesn't change his limpcalling range at all.
flop bet is ok, but make it smaller.
i prefer turn check behind and bluff some rivers if checked to.

For everyone iso'ing pre, what is your isoing range than?

If I check behind ott I give him the chance to bluff me otr btw.

Im obv trying to rep the A not the flush ott as I agree with cml that we dont have a single flush in our range given action pre.

I think the people arguing against isoing 88 here make compelling arguments. That said I still dont hate my iso. But in the future I will at least consider playing spots like this differently.

The whole hand may be spew but I think betting flop is best and when I get that turn card bluffing is better than giving up.

I like turn against a lot of randos, but it's kind of read-dependent. Players who limp that much tend to be the type who will shrug call with QxJs or whatever so in this spot I'm not as thrilled.

I don't think limp pf with these stack sizes is bad fwiw, iso is obv fine.

Chuck, the reason I don't like it is that a good player will correctly weight your range heavily with bluffs, and a bad player will just play their own two cards, which, if they were good enough to call the flop with, are good enough to call even on this blufftastic turn. Generally I dislike bluffing though.

kinda seems like the hand played itself i like all streets it would be nut difficult to call that turn for him he's not gonna have the ace very often....nh

I overlimp pre (not necissary think that's better), as played I like the turn. Think he will fold a lot.

Id overlimp, as played the turn is the nut best card to 2 barrel, he has to have Kxss somehow or have floated OOP with an ace.