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09-14-2010 , 11:39 AM
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My image should be good. Not going to showdown a lot but have usually had it when I do. Villian is 21/13 with a 12% 3 bet. This is his first blind defense against me and I am opening every button.




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Hero (BTN): t24291 M = 18.69
SB: t15580 M = 11.98
BB: t14547 M = 11.19
UTG: t17924 M = 13.79
UTG+1: t27424 M = 21.10
MP1: t18250 M = 14.04
MP2: t18503 M = 14.23
CO: t6627 M = 5.10

Pre Flop: (t1300) Hero is BTN with 6 3
5 folds, Hero raises to t1375, 1 fold, BB calls t775

Flop: (t3450) 6 9 4 (2 players)
BB bets t1800, Hero calls t1800

Turn: (t7050) 7 (2 players)
BB bets t1800, Hero calls t1800

River: (t10650) 4 (2 players)
BB bets t4800, Hero folds

Help on every street please.
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09-14-2010 , 11:42 AM
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I fold flop, especially given he has yet to defend his BB. As played a call turn and fold river as well
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09-14-2010 , 11:48 AM
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when ppl weaken like that on the turn it's a good time to raise esp when u pick up that many outs

fold flop tho
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09-14-2010 , 11:49 AM
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I play it the same. Im not folding the flop, he can donk this flop with a wide range considering you were opening every button.
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09-14-2010 , 03:27 PM
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thoughts on shoving turn? r/c turn?
we have alot of Equity vs single pairs which seems to be villains most likely hand imo.

obv sucks when we get called light but chucky said he was solid... soo why not?
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09-14-2010 , 03:31 PM
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I kinda like raising the turn, wish we were a little deeper tho. In play, I don't do anything different
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09-14-2010 , 04:11 PM
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thoughts on shoving turn? r/c turn?
we have alot of Equity vs single pairs which seems to be villains most likely hand imo.

obv sucks when we get called light but chucky said he was solid... soo why not?
unrealzeal couldn't have said it better. flop seems like easy fold but after calling flop, turn shove seems much better than call
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09-14-2010 , 04:22 PM
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Chuck, I jam the turn but otherwise play it the same.
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09-14-2010 , 04:52 PM
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I like bluffraising the flop, thoughts on this???
I also prefer jamming turn rather than calling, don´t think his that strong especially using the same sizing on flop and turn.
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09-14-2010 , 05:04 PM
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Always a database read helps me out for how to deal with donk bets. Good player - probably air; bad player - he's usually bladed. More often than not of course they're bad players, so it usually indicates strength. I'd be concerned about his sizing, too - bad players love to value-town small. I might have to reconsider recommending jamming the turn, but it should go without saying that if he's competent you should do it.
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09-14-2010 , 05:11 PM
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Always a database read helps me out for how to deal with donk bets. Good player - probably air; bad player - he's usually bladed. More often than not of course they're bad players, so it usually indicates strength. I'd be concerned about his sizing, too - bad players love to value-town small. I might have to reconsider recommending jamming the turn, but it should go without saying that if he's competent you should do it.
Really?? I tend to think the opposite, I think nowadays good players tend to donkbet with a stronger range while bad villains or randoms tend to c-raise rather than donkbetting with a stronger range, plz correct if i´m way off.
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09-14-2010 , 05:15 PM
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Always a database read helps me out for how to deal with donk bets. Good player - probably air; bad player - he's usually bladed. More often than not of course they're bad players, so it usually indicates strength. I'd be concerned about his sizing, too - bad players love to value-town small. I might have to reconsider recommending jamming the turn, but it should go without saying that if he's competent you should do it.
dude stop
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09-14-2010 , 05:21 PM
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WHAAT folding flop is so bad
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09-14-2010 , 07:50 PM
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my problem with jamming turn is that I dont think he folds 78 often enough and he obv never folds better. Any bet commits him anyways when I hit so I just took the cheap card.

Does anyone want to call the river?
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09-15-2010 , 04:29 AM
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12% three bet and he just flats, hello aces
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09-15-2010 , 04:41 AM
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turn is an easy jam fwiw
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09-15-2010 , 05:37 AM
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Id fold pre given his 3bet % and the resteal stacks in the blinds

As played id call flop and probably raise/call turn
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09-15-2010 , 06:07 AM
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nh. dont jam the turn
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09-15-2010 , 09:20 AM
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folding flop is bad imo, probably jam turn
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09-15-2010 , 09:33 AM
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nh

folding flop is ridiculous

turn could go either way but i think flatting is probably better

river i doubt he's ever bluffing, he's obv not VBing worse and you have no FE on a jam, so fold's good.
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