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09-16-2019 , 04:44 PM
Local 2 day event. Flight 1D 70 people left. Top 25 of flight move to day 2 ITM. Avg stack 60k. Hero with 80k.

Soft tournament so far. Had control of my previous table then got moved to new table in the BB so no reads as this is my first hand. Villian younger Asian with table chip lead around 120k. I dont play many live tournaments and trying to figure out if the hand plays itself or if I have room for improvement.
10 handed
Blinds 800/1600/1600
Villian opens to 3500 UTG+3
2 calls in late position and hero completes in BB w/ 5♥️5♦️

Pot ~16k
Flop A♣️6♣️5♠️
Hero checks
Villian bets 7k
Btn w/ 32k behind calls
Hero raises to 23k (Thoughts on sizing?)
Villian calls
Btn folds

Pot ~70k
Turn J♣️
My plan was to jam my remaining 54k on any turn. Didnt see villian continuing with naked flush draw OTF as I didn't think he'd be betting into 4 people on a A high wet board. At the time I figured an A with big ♣️. Also forgot to discount he probably didnt have any 2pr hands as I block A5 and prob not opening A6 or 65. So at this point am I only beating the big A and do I adjust my plan on the turn with the flush coming in?
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09-16-2019 , 05:05 PM
Think you played it fine.

River jam is pretty auto there, unless you want to get really frisky check raising an ace with big club, but that would be specificly lucky.

Certainly, he has Ace ace combo's, K-Q of clubs or 10-Q of clubs. and sets of sixes, but think you are way ahead most of the time and the third club gives him a lot to draw to that you currently have crushed.

I like your sizing, it puts pressure on the button limper and incentives villain to continue with all his aces to evaluate a turn.

If we are worried about flush draw, maybe a jam, but think that is spewy and we are giving up a big opportunity.

Of course, the flush coming in will eliminate his big aces without a club, in all likelihood, but gives him a low to continue with.
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09-16-2019 , 05:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Smudger2408
Think you played it fine.

River jam is pretty auto there, unless you want to get really frisky check raising an ace with big club, but that would be specificly lucky.

Certainly, he has Ace ace combo's, K-Q of clubs or 10-Q of clubs. and sets of sixes, but think you are way ahead most of the time and the third club gives him a lot to draw to that you currently have crushed.

I like your sizing, it puts pressure on the button limper and incentives villain to continue with all his aces to evaluate a turn.

If we are worried about flush draw, maybe a jam, but think that is spewy and we are giving up a big opportunity.

Of course, the flush coming in will eliminate his big aces without a club, in all likelihood, but gives him a low to continue with.
Thanks for the reply. I tried keeping my c/r a reasonable size while allowing the btn to reopen betting assuming villian called and btn jammed a fd.

In my mind there's no other play on the turn than jamming 80%psb. But I'm a caveman and wondering if any other weird lines are available to us as played like downbetting the turn to induce a spazz from villain as there's not a ton we beat at that point aside from the stated AK/AQ w ♣️
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09-16-2019 , 06:33 PM
There's a ton you beat.

Not everyone plays logical.

But, let's think logical.

Flush and straight combo's are repopping

Straight draws are floating.

Any ace is floating.

Most pairs higher than 6's are floating (especially with one club, they talk themselves into it).

My variance play would be to check twice, allowing him to open up a river bet. But, that is kind of scary, as he will sometimes have straight combo's.

If I check the turn and he doesn't bet, I am 100% checking all rivers with intention of flatting or check raising the river depending on the board texture. Comes club club, you can probably find a fold.

I use a variance play around 15-20% of the time. But, best variance play is checking twice.

If you check twice, he will bet his Ace big's on river, in all likelihood.

My other variant play, I suppose is just check jamming the flop.

Lot of good reasons for that. You can easily be on a flush draw with a check flop jam and villain will often find a call with his big aces. I would think your range on a check jam is very wide. Open enders, flush straight combo's, two pairs, sets, Ace, backdoor draws.

Guys often talk themselves into a call.

I mean, check jamming, how bad could it be?

You guarantee your equity and probably win the pot. As played, his bluffs are often leaving anyway.

More I think about it, given the quality of play in the tourney you described, I think check jam has a ton of merit.
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09-18-2019 , 04:24 PM
Think your flop sizing is too small given the button's flat call. 28k-30k feels right.

Larger check-raise sizing gives Villain a worse price on his draws while also setting up a SPR that will price his made hands (A-x, etc) in when you jam turn.

As played, yes, jam turn. I think you are wrong to discount naked flush draws from Villain's flop range — he has range advantage on this board and can c-bet wide — but you remain ahead of Villain's overall range, and can target not only Ax hands but pairs (KxK, QxQ, etc.)

And if he hit the flush you have outs to fill up.
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09-20-2019 , 10:14 AM
I think 23k c/r is too small given there is a caller and hero is OOP. Normally I would raise to about 30k or so. But here that is about 40% of our remaining stack (and basically pot committing). So I would just c/r jam on the flop.

We may get calls from AK thinking we are on a draw. We may also get calls from a flush draw (which would be a mistake - so our benefit). But mostly we just take it down which is fine.
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09-20-2019 , 11:01 AM
I like as played, as sets up a turn push. Would play strong draws the same way. It is a bad turn card, but you have to push the turn. Have 10 outs against a flush. I don't like just check shoving the flop, as you want action with this hand.
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09-20-2019 , 09:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Mr Rick
I think 23k c/r is too small given there is a caller and hero is OOP. Normally I would raise to about 30k or so. But here that is about 40% of our remaining stack (and basically pot committing). So I would just c/r jam on the flop.

We may get calls from AK thinking we are on a draw. We may also get calls from a flush draw (which would be a mistake - so our benefit). But mostly we just take it down which is fine.
this, imo

if a standard c/r size leaves a SPR < 0.8 or so ott then i'd prefer to c/jam. in this case a decent c/r size leaves us closer to 0.5

also, if we have 97cc in our c/gii range then i'd suspect A6 A5 66 55 should be there too.
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09-21-2019 , 01:57 PM
Thanks all for the replies. My sizing on the flop seemed awkward but I always catch myself making a size that would allow the cold caller (in this case the button) to jam if when villian flats which could reopen in and allow me to rejam stacks. Seemed a c/r jam otf was a massive jam but I may occasionally do that with a big combo draw as mentioned. I was more so looking at the turn size for the jam and I was happy with that as it wasn't so massive that I could still get action from Ax from villian. I unfortunately ran into the exact top of villains range with AA but if not for that I wasn't mad at my play. Although I'd do like others suggestion of going a little bigger to 27k-30k. Just here to learn amirite?
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09-22-2019 , 12:56 AM
Yeah set over set sucks.

Think you were looking for some hellmuthian type genius explaining how you can find a fold or check.

Instead, you got how to I maximize a set. Disagree with some of the plays presented, but think of how you maximize a set. Without a live read there is no getting away From this. And. If you do get away from this will hurtin the long run.
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