New here so sorry if in wrong place but hoping for some help as ive done this twice now. Got to day 2 of the scoop L $55 main event (aftermath one). End of day one lost a flip an went to just over a million chips with was 25 bigs, got complete junk for half hour then got KQh on the big blind with 18 bigs behind just over million chips. Im new to these kind of tournaments so i don't know anyone, guy with 18 bigs utg+1 min raises, cut off with 4.5 millon chips re-raises him small. No more action, i shove, guy who 3bet has kings.

Stupid? standard? I thought at the time he might just be testing the original raiser since he didnt jam with only 18 bigs, especially with it being almost a min raise and small portion of his 4.5 mil stack but obviously that was nonesense so is this just a fold as to a 3-bet your never ahead with KQ suited? I know its player dependant too but all i know is if a player has a scoop or ept badge probably avoid them haha

Thanks for any help.

Gotta fold KQ unless you think this is a crazy wide 3bet. Villain is going to have too good of odds to fold even bluffs so you have little to no fold equity.

You have <40% equity vs a reasonable 3bet range of TT+,AQs+, and some Axs and suited connectors as bluffs.

Yeah so basically a dumbass move. This is essentially what i thought afterwards when i put some thought into it. Something about KQ when its suited that gets me doing dumb stuff, KQ off i would insant mucked it when of course its no different.

Thanks.

I don't think it's an horrible move at all but that's not the best one as well. Like ledn said, the 3bettor will call you most of the time even with his semi bluffs because he is getting to much good pot odds to do so. I know it's kinda tough to fold these good looking hands sometimes, especially when being card dead for a while. But remember tournaments are marathons not sprints, so you should try to be disciplined enough to fold here.

Silly error. This is pretty bad. When someone 3!s small rather then pushing with 18xBB, it is a red flag that he has AA/KK. Not that many people are balanced in that spot, even if they should be.

Then, as other posters pointed out, even if he is 3!ing light, he is probably priced in to call.

KQs also plays badly against AK/QQ+, and is worse than Axs, 98s and similar, and small pps against a range including light 3!s.

There are lots of places to play aggressively preflop, but this is not one of them.

Right, i competely took that the wrong way then didnt i, thought it meant he could be weak because even to a tiny raise the original raiser didnt have enough behind to do anything but shove or fold so it did the same thing as a larger raise.

That's just what i needed to hear on how KQs plays as i even shoved KQs with similar stack with half hour to go till day 2 in the first go of this same tournament losing to AK so it's potentially cost me a lot.

Thanks

KQ is poor as a semibluff 4-bet shove hand, because it plays so badly against value 3-bet hands, which are a large part of villain's calling range. It is better as a 3-bet shoving hand than a 4-bet shoving hand, as it plays better against a weaker calling range.

Yeah im confident im understanding this now and why, definitely think i wont play KQ the same in future. Thanks.

Have you understood why did you think this was a good shove? Just to know how the mind can trick us sometimes