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Originally Posted by Soepgroente
Don't, this idea is ridiculous if we have QQ. We're targetting exactly one hand (KK) as he's never folding Ax and if he does over multiple streets, we're blocking the AQ which is the hand I guess we'd be targetting? Plus if villain can handread, he realises we probably don't have an ace we want to lead (AK jams pre, AQ is trying to be careful, AJ- folds pre).
I understand the point here, but I disagree that it's ridiculous.
First, I said sometimes -- not always. You have to mix it up sometimes. On Ace-high board, if we check and villain is holding a middle pocket pair or suited broadway cards (which would make sense given extra-high three-bet pre), we let villain either c-bet us on ace-high board and make us decide whether to call in vulnerable spot out of position or else three-bet and risk even more chips to find out if he's bluffing. Or, villain can check back and get a free turn on a board where villain might be drawing.
If we lead out and get a call or raise, then villain either has an ace (or better) or has a tremendous ability to bluff as our range includes a lot of big aces and he's taking a huge risk. We probably fold, or if we don't we're setting ourselves up for a bad loss.
And I disagree that AJ folds pre in this spot and that AK always four-bets pre. Depends on reads, of course, but I've seen plenty of AKo hands just flat the big three-bet pre in this spot, and plenty of calls from AJ, so while many players would play it differently, villain can't normally put us on "no ace" when we flat pre.
As for bet size, I would put out between 1/3 and 1/2 pot - but it's whatever you would bet if you had the Ace.