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01-18-2018 , 11:50 AM
Hi guys short question

Does the OOP player realize more equity on a wet (draw heavy) board?
Conditons: SRP (single raise pot) BU (50% range) vs BB (45% defending range) nothing special



Maybe you asking why this question…
The range vs range equities on Q72r and Q72sss are almost the same (~52% for BU) but I think all of us would agree that we have to bet bigger on the monotone board (Q72sss). But why? Of course we have to deny equity but I want to argue based on facts and not terms like “on draw heavy boards we have to bet bigger because we have less foldequity” (this is certainly true but why?).

My assumption is BB can play easier on wet boards because he realize more equity. He has a though time with A4 vs multiple barrels on Q72r but on Q72sss he can continue with all nut flushes and nut flush draws (over realize his equity) and comfortably fold all other combos (and lose only a bit equity).

Is my thought process right or have I maybe ignored some issues?
Because it is certainly sure that pairs are more vulnerable on wet boards and realize less equity.

When you are a bit confused about my thought process: It is actually only one short question.

Thank you anyway
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01-18-2018 , 01:12 PM
I think you have it wrong. The reason IP gains on dynamic boards is that there are more streets to come.

On a flop of K44 Rainbow, whoever is ahead is likely to stay ahead.

On a flop of JT8 2 suits, many turn cards change who has the better hand.

Gaining the information from the card that comes on the turn, and the OOP players decision to check or bet, and being able to always decide when a bet goes in gives IP the advantage.

In your example of BU vs BB many boards don't create range advantages. If it was UTG opener vs BB, a board like 789 might favor the BB.
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01-18-2018 , 03:47 PM
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Originally Posted by 3for3poker
In your example of BU vs BB many boards don't create range advantages. If it was UTG opener vs BB, a board like 789 might favor the BB.
That's the key right there. Well said.
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01-18-2018 , 05:36 PM
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Originally Posted by 3for3poker
In your example of BU vs BB many boards don't create range advantages. If it was UTG opener vs BB, a board like 789 might favor the BB.
Thank you!
This is a good point which I haven't considered.
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01-18-2018 , 07:57 PM
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Originally Posted by PoseYdon
Hi guys short question

... but I think all of us would agree that we have to bet bigger on the monotone board (Q72sss). But why? Of course we have to deny equity but I want to argue based on facts and not terms like “on draw heavy boards we have to bet bigger because we have less foldequity” (this is certainly true but why?).
I don't think we have to bet bigger on monotone board... As pfa, I often choose 1/3, because villain decisions here are something like this:

(more probably) -I have no hearts, I've no position, I fold my bottom/mid pair, and if I've toppair things can be complicated next streets, so maybe I fold tp low kicker... (I don´t think 1/2 pot bets or higher force considerably more folds than 1/3 pot bet.)

-I have a no-ace heart. I call so often 1/3, but if heart doesn't come on turn, I'll be folding more than expected. (comparing to folding when calling 1/2 or higher flop bets)

-I have no-nut flush, doublepair, set... I have to reraise almost always.
If we're not holding heart, we'll be way behind when reraised, so we can fold and lose less bb by betting 1/3


-I have ace of hearts...
That's the almost only case maybe we tend to prefer higher bets on flop, extracting value from the ace... and the only case we can be reraised when slightly ahead. But as uncommon, I'd prefer to bet 1/3 most times.

(don't forget most cases we will be bluff, semibluff or protection betting, because in monotone flops valuebets (flushes) are uncommon. Of course, I tend to bet higher when I hit sets or flushes, but I think this happens not enough times to need to be perfectly balanced in tournaments.
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