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03-17-2018 , 08:26 AM
Appt Macau National 10k hkd mtt
1000/2000(300)
+1 very loose table CL open 5500, hero (49k)sb flat AdQh. Hu.
Flop AcKd6s
Ck, CL cb 5500/15000 hero called
Turn 4s with bdfd
Ck ck
River 3s
Hero lead 10k/ 27k
CL raise to 36k, hero ?

1) should we lead river? If yes, size ?
2) should we call vs his raise ?
3) what range should we flat pre here? Or should we just jam pre?
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03-17-2018 , 05:33 PM
I'm probably jamming pre from the SB especially over the large open. Hard to get value Oop.

Otr I think chk/call is the play. Allows villain to bluff and even though our hand is prett y face up Ax.

Ap I think I would fold river as Ax and kX of spades make a lot of sense for villain to Chk turn with.
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03-17-2018 , 06:12 PM
Loose table but how wide is he opening?

1+2) I think a b/f here is optimal, yes.
3) I'm ok with the flat but I like a x/r on the flop in that case, with a willingness to play for stacks if he jams. If you're going to underrep your hand, a x/r on the flop can induce a worse ace to make a mistake here. If you x/c it's going to be difficult to get any more value from the majority of his range anyway on this flop.
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03-18-2018 , 04:27 AM
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Originally Posted by Bdsinc2.0
I'm probably jamming pre from the SB especially over the large open. Hard to get value Oop.

Otr I think chk/call is the play. Allows villain to bluff and even though our hand is prett y face up Ax.

Ap I think I would fold river as Ax and kX of spades make a lot of sense for villain to Chk turn with.
Ya very that big of an open I think jam make sense pre.
Would he likely barrel turn with KXss? And would he bluff here on river vs hero pretty capped range? Also wanna ask if we fold this here, what can we call with?
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03-18-2018 , 12:30 PM
On a loose table I am c/r all in in the SB with AQo. Not sure what "CL" is but if it is cutoff then I am c/r all in pre-flop regardless because CO's range is very wide.

Similarly on that flop I will c/r all in. I don't want to give two cards to a gutshot. Or backdoor flush draw. If villain has AK/AA/KK so be it. Its going in anyway.

As played I would fold river and assume villain had a flush, two pair or set. If I bet the river it is always b/f. And yes villain would check KXss a lot on the turn because he would have to fold to a c/r all in with a lot of equity.
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03-18-2018 , 08:20 PM
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Originally Posted by ttpoker
Ya very that big of an open I think jam make sense pre.
Would he likely barrel turn with KXss? And would he bluff here on river vs hero pretty capped range? Also wanna ask if we fold this here, what can we call with?
Fair question, we can be a little more exploitable in live mtts esp on river check raises in general imo but I agree it feels bad to fold here as hero has so few flushes and Maybe 66 as better hands but there are many players in my pool where this is a fold.

After re-reading I'm pretty sure in game I would call if I got there this way IF
"loose table Chip Leader" has shown signs of being aggressivet. 10k (targeting a king?) is kinda small and could induce some bluffs but if he's prone to bluff/apply pressure I still like check river more than bet. Most of villains Ax hands are going for bet/bet lines on flop and turn or might bet the river anyway after checking turn. Plus you get extra value when he doesn't want to showdown 9hi or whatever.

How deep he is, how wide is he opening, stage of tournament etc make a difference and it t does suck to fold the top of your range.
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03-18-2018 , 09:10 PM
Generally jamming pre unless I have strong reads otherwise.

Once we create this SPR I'm not sure we should fold. Lean c/r all-in on the flop as villain should be calling off with worse Ax a decent amount. As played almost always a c/c on the river.
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03-19-2018 , 06:37 AM
1) Leading river doesnt accomplish much. You are making the hands you beat fold. You dont give the loose opener a chance to bluff some missed draws (QJ, J10, + turned straight drwas) and his airs. The flush fills in otr. Therefore, he might not bet some of his weaker Aces but once you get jammed on, you are in a bad spot. Thats why betting IMHO, is not the good play here. Just check call river
2)I cant see what you are beating here besides his bluff (maybe KJ turned into a bluff if holding the K of spades; QJ with a spade or missed turned straight draws) but i doubt he would go for the c/jam, rather with a single river bet. You cold called flop, check back turn and lead river when the flush hits -> he knows that you feel pretty comfortable with this texture.
3) sitting on 25bb vs a loose CL preflop raise, shoving is the way to go here. Vs a weaker oppo, you could flat very small pairs (22-66) as your implied odds are getting good value.
You could also flat J10ss, KQ, AJ but only if you feel confortable playing oop vs a fishy oopo.
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03-20-2018 , 04:07 PM
Easy jam here pre.

As played, I think flop is actually a good spot for a donk bet. I think a c/r is a bit too strong, but I prefer to have initiative because villain will check back most turns. We could also donk the turn, but either way don't like giving villain the opportunity to take a free card on the turn in a spot where he's unlikely to barrel again.

On river, yeah tough b/f. It sucks because we're basically at the top of our range, excluding the times where we make a backdoor flush ourselves, so yes this is pretty exploitable, but realistically I don't think most villains bluff enough here to call.
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