Winamax series turbo 20euros 8max 3000 runners 200 left 20k starting stack
12.5/25k bb ante 3k
Hero HJ with 275k K8dd
CO tight passif 11bb
btn very tight 8bb
sb no info 14bb
bb tight passif 25bb
action folds to hero in HJ -> hero snapp shove K8dd
I guess K8dd is an ok shove pre in that situation but wasnt sure
As i ve been running pretty bad recently, just after shoving i told myself that i should avoid close decision
IMHO, K8dd is very close
Afterwards, I think that i could easily fold to preserve my stack because staying alive in the tournament is much more valuable than getting a shove through even if that shove here equals to 3000x8 + 12.5k +25k = 61.5k stack increase which is a 25% chip increase
I know that i ve an edge over the vast majority of the field in the 8-15bb spots.
Should i ve fold that hand to get a better spot or was that ok?

Very keen on having thoughts about that

Regards

It's a shrug shove. Don't waste your time with posts about shoving 11bbs because there are plenty of tools for these (Snapshove comes to mind).

I've been kind of in the same boat as you when it comes to the ending stages of a tournament, dealt a marginal hand with less than 20 BB's and feel like you're forced to shove to pick up the pot. This is most likely a winning play, but table dynamics and how your opponents preceive will play a role into what their calling range is going to be. If the table was a bit on the tighter side, you had a solid image, and you're sole purpose is to win the tournament, I'd say go for it. If the money is important, the table is tough and a bit on the loose side, then I'd say fold. In a vacuum this has to be a winning play and thus you get a vote of no, such a great player!

When's the money bubble? Are we in money yet?

Average stack at the table is really important here. Based on the stacks you mentioned, it looks like most players have under 20 BBs. If that's the case, you can pass up more of these marginal jams because you'll still have FE vs most players (and, importantly, all the players to your left) even as you drop to under 10 BBs.

I don't hate a jam but I'd like it more if your stack wasn't still about average at the table.

On paper, it's fine - I don't mind it. However, breaking it down, and looking at it situationally I don't really see what we're gaining. We're only ever getting called by better and even against two live cards (JTs for example) we're only around 54%.

Always make your decisions based on your table, your opponents and whether you feel that situationally, it's the correct play.

I think we can fold here, and look for a better hand to shove with.

I m not wasting my time when i am lucky enough to have people more experienced than me taking their time to answer some of my questions.

To me that is very valuable and i even appreciate you taking the time to give me what could be perceived as half an advice half sarcasms. Couldnt run a sim on your prepost sarcasm range.

cheers yo

that was my reasoning post spew

Thanks for your views on that play

3k runners 200 left x2.5 BI itm atm

was part of my thought process post spew. CHeers tho

i was pretty tilted after and i felt like it was a mistake due to uncontroled spasm.
working on that actually.
ty for your answer and cheers yo

A punt is usually 35BB or more shove. K9s is shovable but with 11 BB what else would you do?

I wasn't trying to be condescending OP, I was just saying that these spots are solved, and don't merit much discussion.

Here's one resource https://floattheturn.com/wp/pushfold/

Dont get me wrong, i know that those spots are solved and i thank you for the link. My problem was about adapting and adjusting to the situation because we all know that gto doesnt always gets you the most money...
Cheers tho

Correct me if im wrong but isn't a 25% stack increase waaaaay too big not to shove in this spot? I am not being sarcastic or whatever i actually ask this.

I mean from what i understand these kind of gains from a steal are quite significant to just fold right?

I do understand "in play factors" as well as "weaker players @ the table" but also u described them as tight so i dont expect light calls too, (plus we are itm) although bb calling 11bbs out of 25 with KJoff honestly not sure how good or how tight is.

Anyway just my thoughts on the hand.

(If shove gets through would you discuss this shove? Just a small question i used to make to myself when i thought in the past i was jamming "too wide". Fwiw getting a solver 4 the pure maths/ranges and "play" a bit testing different ranges to get a "bigger picture" is good advice )