https://youtu.be/g_Rff1iFwL4?t=5m39s

Someone sent me this hand and I thought it was interesting.
Pads has doubled through this guy after betting 3 and hitting the bdnf and getting called by top pair.

Blinds are I guess 6k/12k
Ante unknown

Shehadeh UTG 416k
Pads BB 1.25m

Action:
Shehadeh opens to 29k with T9dd
Folds round to Pads who calls in the BB for 17k more

Flop(78k):
Ks 7s Jd

Pads checks, Shehadeh bets 28k, Pads calls 28k

Turn(134k)
Ks 7s Jd 6s
Pads checks, Shehadeh bets 76k, pads calls 76k

River (286k)
Ks 7s Jd 6s
Pads bets 12k, Shehadeh raises all in for 312k, pads calls.

What do we make of pads river play here by min betting river? I have a few thoughts, but I'm interested in what the population thinks of this.

I'm more interested in the acting and subsequent shove by Shehadeh.

How so? Assuming we're Shehadeh, what's our plan for our range facing this 1bb bet?

I'm more talking about how he sighs lifts his glasses, sighs and then reluctantly moves all in with T high. The shove might be okay, but the dead giveaway of weakness prior seems odd. Although, that could've been some super meta game ****.

Do you know if these guys have a history of playing each other?

Ah ok, yeah I'm not a big live player so I wouldn't have much to say on the interpreting of live tells. There is one hand before that I know of at the start of the link, but other than that, none that I'm aware of.

The theory of what pads overall river plan looks like is very interesting to me. Curious on others thoughts

I don't think this live "tell" is meaningful.

I mean, is it a level one tell of him showing weakness because it's actually weak?

Is it a level two tell of him showing weakness to pretend like he's strong but he's actually weak?

Is it a level three tell of him thinking that Pads would think he's strong because he gave off a level two tell?

This could go on forever. Simple tells like these (overrated physical reactions) in live poker are pretty meaningless in today's meta unless you're sure you're playing an actual amateur. His exaggerated response could easily represent strength or weakness equally.

Talking about outplay someone and own his soul
Seems that they have a lot of history, and obv this is some high level ****, that most of us can´t really find an answer , at least from strategy/theoretical stand of point (not me at least), def an interesting hand, and interested to see what others have to say.
From what i saw from the stream (weird that i didn´t see this hand) Shehadeh, seems to not give Pads any credit and made some really bad calls vs him (aka QJ hand) and going to war, so i think was just matter of time till he spews
Will be nice to see Pads share his thoughts here tho.


My 2 cents: I don´t see myself shoving for value Ts9s or sets, so we basically saying we have the nuts or airballs.

hard for me to get beyond preflop...83s defending BB vs. a 2.6x open wtf

Skills tho
I'm def calling 84s and 85o.


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I think there is some history and other dynamics between these two players that influenced pads river play in general, would be great to get his input on his river play here or even the entire hand.

My guess is the 12k is baiting him into a raise where he can get x2 bets instead of x1 by x/r if his opponent is bluffing.

I think its really noteworthy that he smooth calls turn when he makes his hand instead of raising. This was excellent play because he allowed his opponent to continue bluffing and set up his river play really well.

Its not a 2.6x open, its slightly less than 2.5x and hes getting near 3.6:1 and vs an opponent who is probably steaming. I think people probably overfold their BB vs a single open.

Spoke to a couple of people on Skype, this is my 2cemts:

Disclaimer: This might or might not be what pads is up to. The purpose of this bet is that it forces him to go all in if he wants to win the pot with bluffs with the current SPR. Given the way pads talks about hands, I expect him to believe this will happen a decent amount of the time. While this looks great because pads got him to do just that with air, it's worth pointing out that vs UTG, the UTG player will have fewer combos of air that bet/bet/bet on this board.

It's safe to say, I have no idea what pads overall river strategy is here, because working in river leads vs UTG is weird. Does he bet all hands that reach river for 12k? Does he split and do this with strong hands? Does he have multiple sizes? (this seems unlikely). While this worked and it looked like he induced his opponent, UTG should still be planning to bluff some rivers here when checked to.

What should UTG look to do? Well, you certainly shouldn't fold much. It's just a case of what you do with the top and bottom end of your hands? It's going to be difficult to know if pads is splitting by leading strong hands or is he block betting his entire range? I think if I'm UTG, I'm going to jam flushes and call hands that are l sets and weaker. For bluffs, your probably want to pick something with a spade in for sure which can't call. I'd be looking at AsQx as the bluff to use. I'd be willing to let other hands go. It's still fine to fold some hands to a min bet. You might be over folding by folding all your air balls here, but given when your have air due to card removal, it's more likely pads has a hand and vice versa, it unsurprisingly makes leading a hand like QsTx in pads shoes kinda stupid.

Wont the BB have more suited combos though?

I do agree that UTG should only shove Flushes & Bluffs with a higher spade and call worse.