PokerStars - 30/60 Ante 6 NL - Holdem - 9 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

UTG+1: 165.37 BB (VPIP: 10.53, PFR: 5.26, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 19)
Hero (MP): 169.2 BB
MP+1: 163.7 BB (VPIP: 22.81, PFR: 12.28, 3Bet Preflop: 10.34, Hands: 57)
MP+2: 192.12 BB (VPIP: 40.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 5)
CO: 162.45 BB (VPIP: 9.72, PFR: 7.04, 3Bet Preflop: 11.76, Hands: 73)
BTN: 125.62 BB (VPIP: 25.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 4)
SB: 169.6 BB (VPIP: 20.69, PFR: 11.11, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 29)
BB: 155.87 BB (VPIP: 25.00, PFR: 25.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 4)
UTG: 186.13 BB (VPIP: 75.00, PFR: 50.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 4)

9 players post ante of 0.1 BB, SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 2.4 BB) Hero has 8 A

UTG raises to 3 BB, fold, Hero calls 3 BB, fold, fold, fold, fold, SB calls 2.5 BB, BB calls 2 BB

Flop: (12.9 BB, 4 players) A 7 3
SB checks, BB checks, UTG bets 6 BB, Hero calls 6 BB, fold, fold

Turn: (24.9 BB, 2 players) 3
UTG bets 7 BB, Hero calls 7 BB

River: (38.9 BB, 2 players) 9
UTG bets 10 BB

so, it's pretty clear OTF that V has Ace and it's probably stronger than our Ace. should we fold otf? or ott? or call until the river? what do you guys think?

pre i 3b or fold, posflop i cant see myself folding vs such small bets at any point

3-bet pre versus UTG with a hand that plays well postflop even in multiway pot? why? he is not going to fold anyways.

otf he bets 1/2 of the pot versus 3 players. it' not a small bet. and it screams "i have ace and it's f*cking good"

preflop is ok @175bbs w/nutted equity
I think I just grimace and fold river, V has better like always always

haha, grimacing and folding is exactly what i did. too bad it's not a live event.

However, 3-bet might be a cool idea here! 10% of the time we hit nuts fd and we have huge implied odds.
3-bet also prevents a multiway pot.
3-bet also prevents our range to be capped.
But for balance we might 3-bet only 25% of times, for example only clubs. and only against deep stacks. and call otherwise.
Prob. it's how they do it in cash games..and playing with deep stacks is a bit like cash games..

Why do we think we will never get a fold here if we 3bet? Flatting is ok, but definitely some merits for 3betting. A8s plays equally well multiway and heads-up because it has the ability to make nutty hands and med-strength hands that really prefer being heads-up (like this one). So both options are acceptable.

As played very hard to fold on any street given sizing but I guess on river we should just let it go

UTG + deep stack. Even if he is spewing guy and opens trush from UTG, he does not fold with 180BB behind; If he is OK, then he does not open hands that can't stand 3-bet..

^^^Can you elaborate on why you think this? The deeper we are, the more that favors the player who is in position and the harder it is to play back against a 3bet for the original raiser. So maybe I think differently from most of the population, but to call 3bets with every hand that we open from EP with strikes me as a huge leak.

Okay, I must be wrong about that. For example suited connectors like 98s, T9s, JTs or one-gappers like QTs or K9s-KTs could open from EP with a deep stack, but fold to 3-bet; At least I can see myself folding them in such a situation

Well I would be more inclined to flat 3bets with hands like 98s that play better deep, but it's pretty hard for him to play back with a hand like AQo.

This is why A8s makes for actually a pretty nice hand to add into your 3bet range here. You can get called by hands you have dominated like 98s and also get folds from hands you have beat like AQo. It can be easy to get carried away though and 3bet too often from MP, but most players don't 4bet enough to really punish you for that.

lol...I would be shocked to see people fold AQo vs a 3 bet this early without any sort of info. Although I think 4 betting AQo would be better, but most will just flat.

As for the hand, I don't mind either flatting or 3 betting, both have merits. I prefer flatting though. We don't really want to be 4 bet from UTG or anyone behind us and the hand does play well multiway, these are the main reasons why I prefer flatting.

OP, your reasons for 3 betting are good, but if we flat and then there's a cold 3bet then we can take it from there. We don't necessarily want to bloat the pot, we really want to see a flop for as cheap as possible.

yeah, one of the 2p2 commandment I was given is AQo is a good candidate for 4-bet.

Yeah but it's really hard for him to 4bet here because you can flat him super wide and still have tons behind. So he needs to 4bet larger which makes it harder to 4bet as frequently.

Flatting w/ AQo OOP this deep is a mistake here. We'll have a nuttier range and we should be able to take advantage by putting a ton of pressure on and barreling down. Doesn't mean that players don't do it, but even if players do it, we should still be able to take advantage.