Hey,

got a question about a spot, where i have a tough discussion with a mate.
Please as many opinions, as possible.

Infos I had: its the 109$ uppercut 40k GTD 2nd bb lvl, 100k startstack
Tourney running everyday, having around 400-700 runners (it was from a sunday sesh) and it has like 12 bb lvls re-enter time.

villain only 22 hands, unknown... checked his stats, before calling with AK, and he only played like 250 games for last 4 years with ~300$ avrg BI and -10k




So question is, is this a call or a fold?

obv we have an edge to other players at table, but prob not a huge one, everyone else were pretty solid.

much appreciated for answers,

cheers

Hard to see the action because the link you provided is awful and full of spam ads and it's asking me to click a button in another language which I'm not clicking.

It's hard to see how you have 1200 out on the button, while the SB has 600 and the guy in the CO is overshoving for 100k+. Did I miss something here?

In any case, vs. a random unknown for a $109 tourney I'm probably folding here. If it was a $3 or $9 tourney that's different.

Whenever I see someone open jamming his 70, 80 oder 100BB stack early I shake my head and fold anything but AA. In my opinion it's just not worth the gamble, espc with AK.

sorry, normally that pic upload page worked always properly for me and anyone else here in earlier threads, maybe they changed site or something with more ads, dont know.

however, its HJ openjamming around 82bb, and i called off with 68bb from BU.

it was 2nd bb lvl and still latereg&reenter possible for next 2hours.

also a daily comp im grinding like 5-6 times a week.


Your argument about "folding in 109$, different in 3-9$ comp" doesnt make any sense.

If we are folding there, coz "we have better edge outplaying the players at table" thats why we skip the flip and fold, its even worse calling in 3-9$ comp, coz we have there muuuuchhh much higher postflop edge. Thats why id be more inclient to call in 109$, but not in smaller buyins.

and his openjamming range gonna be the same, fish would have in small buyins, since it doesnt make any sense, and since he is unknown and only playing 50 tourneys a year, i tend to say its gonna be rarely AA/KK ...but more often random ****.

Since its a daily tourney, and massive field, most of them tough field, where we wont have like a massive postflop edge, but a thin one... i like calling and taking the flip for bigstack, if losing it, re-enter and go on.

we flipping against his range, but might be dominating from time to time for sure.

if you really folding KK in these spots, thats def a leak, id get behind QQ+ call, and maybe a sigh fold with JJ.
I only might fold KK, if it was a crushing reg with daily massive schedules, and than i see from nowhere a jam like that with fish sitting at table behind me. Would me make thinking, he just jams AA and hopes for getting called by fish. Otherwise never fold KK vs this defo

Well, of course it depends

But in a vacuum, I stick to my approach. Re-entry makes a difference of course. But my main point of argument would be that this possible early double up is not worth enough.

even if he is a total punter ready to shove in a non open pot 100bb pre, i d fold AK (o and ss)
i d fold JJ i think.
We ll have much better and clearer spots later on.
Wht did you do though?

+1

As i play at party a lot the dailys are quite soft most of the times so i don't find a reason to gamble here.
I mean yeah maybe he had something you had dominated and maybe he had you crushed but i don't think mostly flip your whole stack at the second level of the tournament will be a +ev play.

Of course having a note of him doing this with hands like AJ AQ KQ to spam the reentry period then its another story!

Fold and take his chips later imo.

thanks for the input guys, i called off, he had 33 and i didnt get there. After asking several ppl, i had some really good regs, who would still call there ...but overall ppl saying 80% of them folding, 20% calling

You can also re-enter after calling, which makes the question "is this +EV worth the variance?" If you are overrolled for these games there is no need to look for better spots unless you think that you can't re-enter same seat and that the seat has way better EV than another seat in same tourney (I doubt given your reads since only one player can eventually call this guy and usually the eventual caller will be one of the looser callers and have only small edge) .

This result proves your call was almost certainly correct.

You think he shoves KK or AA here ? Never see that happening

I would put his hand "range" at 22-99 and some Ax from A5o up to AK . Put range in quotes because it's not like he always does this with any hands just randomly does it sometimes with those sort of hands at some freq would be my guess

I mean you're prob not doing amazingly here maybe something like 55% overall maybe a tiny bit more so I think it's kind of irrelevant if you call or fold since you paid 10% rake to enter the tourney it's prob neutral ev if you incl rake . Never folding 88+ here tho because it does a lot better overall

That's not how the math works, if you can get it in for 55% every time you will have a huge ROI.