Any thoughts on my line here?

Bet size on the flop?
Bet, Check- fold or check-call turn?
River?

Thank you

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UTG: 8,308 (28 bb)
UTG+1 (Hero): 11,442 (38 bb)
MP: 9,622 (32 bb)
MP+1: 15,341 (51 bb)
CO: 16,218 (54 bb)
BU: 10,308 (34 bb)
SB: 25,656 (86 bb)
BB: 19,568 (65 bb)

Pre-Flop: (850) Hero is UTG+1 with 8♣ 8♠
1 fold, Hero raises to 750, 3 players fold, BTN calls 750, 2 players fold

Flop: (2,350) 4♦ T♥ 2♠ (2 players)
Hero bets 1,175, BTN calls 1,175

Turn: (4,700) 7♦ (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN bets 2,256, Hero calls 2,256

River: (9,212) 9♥ (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN bets 6,077 (all-in), UTG+1 (Hero) folds

Total pot: 9,212
BU wins 9,212

I’d barrel big on turn and river some of the time to push villain off of his likely mediocre hand. Instead he’s done exactly that to push you off of your hand. I’d put him on a lot of Ahighs - A4 A7

If I commit to calling the turn then I’m calling this river, too.

I think I just check/fold the turn though. With V’s stack size to start the hand he shouldn’t be getting too OOL here as far as flop floats are concerned. He could be turning AQ/AJ into a bluff but thats about the best you can hope for.

77-JJ are all within his range, as is ATs and a loosely played JTs.

Any info on the villian? Anyone on the tighter side you would expect less likely to be bluffing.

Shove on the river seems a lot like 2 pair or stronger to me as cant see many players doing this with just J10 or Q10 for example but maybe A10. So for value likely hands are 22,44,77,99,10s,109,JJ,A10. Likely bluffing hands are any hands with equity on the flop such as 56,35,A5 all suited diamonds that gained equity on the turn and decided to turn into a bluff maybe QJ and KJ as well.

Vs aggressive player playing OOP id potentially just check the flop and try and get to cheap showdown. IP you can bet as you can check the turn and fairly easily call the river as bluff catcher

As played I would most likely just fold the turn wait for a better spot give the villain credit this time but make note.

I think flop is a clear bet, we have good amount of equity against a calling range of 22-99, A4-AQs, AQo-ATo, KQs-K9s, JQs-J9s, KQo, JQo and few suited connectors. On the turn, if we give him set, flush draw and top pairs, it's a clear fold. If he is barreling with over cards, then only it turns into a call. I doubt that most people would be able to barrel her with their entire over-card range.

It sucks, but turn is mostly a check/fold scenario, unless there's a better read.

Do you not think its very hard to "give him" certain hands. If the flop is a clear bet and the turn is a clear check fold when a 7 comes a card lower than our pair surely that is very exploitative?

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I said, clear check fold ONLY if he's betting better hands and checking back worse. Maybe the way, I wrote was confusing. I said in the next sentence that if he is barreling with AQ kind of hands, then we have to continue.

Care to explain, how check/fold is exploitative?

Yeah but to know that someone is always betting better hands and always checking back worse you have to play with them alot which doesn't really happen in tournaments.

Saying its exploitative because if its a clear check fold on a 7 it means its a clear check fold on 9-A and surely means we are folding too much? Or are they not a clear fold?

Not arguing with you pal just asking a question so I can understand as not claiming to be a good player here to Learn as we all are.

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Same here, just learning. Thanks for probing. I was playing with Flopzilla with ranges and it seemed like even if we add worse hands into the range, the turn check/call seems close and probably losing in the long run.

But, if we take our balanced strategy into account, we have to call sometimes on this board. I don't fully understand how to proceed on the balanced strategy. Hope others in the forum can chime in here.

Check/call flop to induce and balance marginal holdings with monsters.

Or, bet flop and check/fold turn unless he's a maniac or just super sticky and good, as he's likely to barrel

bet turn again or x/c, he can have too many floats and value cuts to x/f imo.. after that im pretty much done with it

I think you played it okay. I would advocate for a different flop sizing to make your turn strategy easier though. Big flop bet = fold turn. small flop bet = fold river. I'm not sure what double barreling accomplishes. If he's gonna float and double barrel everything we have to adjust our strategy, but that's just not happening enough here IMO. Esp against UTG range.

we get value from 33,55,66 all his wheel aces like A5,A3,A2,A4 and floats ip. (mostly ace high)

Why is it not happening enough? hes otb, if hes capable he can easily take a float flop/bet/bet line on a board that doesn't hit our range that often. Proly a really std line to float with close to 100% of his range with plans to win it on a future street. With that in mind we are going to get owned with a x/c turn to fold to brick rivers line.

How do we adjust to this without betting turn.. we are going to get owned by his value range if we plan on a bet flop/xc/xc line. x/c turn to fold rivers is proly the default line here to nits/abc players but its worth thinking outside the box esp when your up against someone good who can easily decide to take a great float/bluff spot.

A couple of things:

1. I do think betting small (1/3-ish pot) on the flop or even checking have some merit. This is a pretty dry board that while it doesn't hit our range very often, probably doesn't hit the BTN's UTG+1 defend range either. I'd be perfectly fine checking flop here planning to check-call two streets unimproved.

2. Your point about what we do on the river is interesting and is really a range construction question.

If we are betting flop here, we have to know what hands we're continuing with on the turn and river. It's important that we have good hands in our check/call range that we can comfortably go three streets with, which means we will sometimes have to check some good hands on the turn for pot control.

That will honestly dictate where 88 fits into our decision making on the river. I actually feel like it's a lot closer on the river than people are giving it credit for being - we likely are are betting turn with most of our overpairs and at least some Tx, so our check/call range is going to be our weaker Tx and second pair hands along with the occasional trap.

When we check/call turn we do cap our perceived range somewhat, as villain may not expect us to have overpairs or Tx very often on that board. So depending on how much Tx we check/call turn with, we may have to call sometimes with 88 w/o a diamond - especially since those hands block straights.