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04-19-2018 , 05:43 AM
Hello guys,

I've begun to take up poker again after a few years off. I'm trying to study as much as I can and want to learn from my mistakes.
The last cpl of years I've only played live tournaments and have done reasonably well in those. My strengths as a player and what has made me money live has been my ability to put people on hands and my ability to adapt to and/or exploit weaker players. However, I believe there are a looooot of leaks in my game but I just can't seem to know where to start.

Here are my last 6k hands (which I know is a very small sample but nonetheless it should give an overall look of my playing style)

During these last couple of days I've played mostly turbos, and there's been a lot of high-variance flips, shove-spots >15 bb and so forth.
I haven't run incredibly bad overall, but in way to many key pots.
like busting 24th as 2nd chipleader in a field of 2500 in bb with aces against sb jam with 23. Please help me find some of my leaks

Nothing extreme, more than being quite cold preflop where my steals a large % of the time get caught when blinds find top 20% or running into overpairs constantly.

How does these graphs look to you all? Do you see any obious alarm bells that I should look into from this?

Thank you so much for your time!
/TJ

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Last edited by CaptainKlonk; 04-19-2018 at 06:01 AM.
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04-19-2018 , 08:35 AM
6k hands is no sample at all but it tells some things

U're playing way too passive vpip/pfr 19/13 3b 5 ... not opening enough, not 3betting enough, probably not shoving enough from late position with less than 20bbs... This can be especially problematic in turbo tournaments so I would suggest you to play more of a nonturbo ones until you catch up.

Start with preflop for format that you're playing. Find out what's optimal opening ranges for different stacksizes, what are good shoves from late positions with 20bb> (i believe there are free ones on upswing or raiseyouredge or smt like that), what's good to 3bet from which vs what position, what do defend vs 3bet what to 4bet shove. Just build up your preflop first. Now all of this isn't easy as it sounds but you need strong fundamentals and preflop game is first step.
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04-19-2018 , 09:55 AM
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Originally Posted by nomalice
6k hands is no sample at all but it tells some things

U're playing way too passive vpip/pfr 19/13 3b 5 ... not opening enough, not 3betting enough, probably not shoving enough from late position with less than 20bbs... This can be especially problematic in turbo tournaments so I would suggest you to play more of a nonturbo ones until you catch up.

Start with preflop for format that you're playing. Find out what's optimal opening ranges for different stacksizes, what are good shoves from late positions with 20bb> (i believe there are free ones on upswing or raiseyouredge or smt like that), what's good to 3bet from which vs what position, what do defend vs 3bet what to 4bet shove. Just build up your preflop first. Now all of this isn't easy as it sounds but you need strong fundamentals and preflop game is first step.
Thank you for your answer.

Very solid advice. Ty.
What would you say is better to strive at?
Not opening enough? Up to 16-17?

And what would be a better 3b?

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04-19-2018 , 10:37 AM
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Originally Posted by nomalice
6k hands is no sample at all but it tells some things

U're playing way too passive vpip/pfr 19/13 3b 5 ... not opening enough, not 3betting enough, probably not shoving enough from late position with less than 20bbs... This can be especially problematic in turbo tournaments so I would suggest you to play more of a nonturbo ones until you catch up.

Start with preflop for format that you're playing. Find out what's optimal opening ranges for different stacksizes, what are good shoves from late positions with 20bb> (i believe there are free ones on upswing or raiseyouredge or smt like that), what's good to 3bet from which vs what position, what do defend vs 3bet what to 4bet shove. Just build up your preflop first. Now all of this isn't easy as it sounds but you need strong fundamentals and preflop game is first step.
Just to balance it up. Once again, this is a really small sample, but for my 38 last sng's from the same week my stats are like this.

What are your thoughts about that, regarding the agression you mentioned was lacking in my mtt-sample? Maybe strange to compare them, being two totally different games, but I seem to be so much more aggressive in sng's?

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04-19-2018 , 10:50 AM
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like busting 24th as 2nd chipleader in a field of 2500 in bb with aces against sb jam with 23.
you would of got lucky to finish 24th out of 2500 players. keep playing.
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04-19-2018 , 11:09 AM
Agree with nomalice above. Definitely not aggressive enough from late position. 5% 3bet is too low, should be closer to 10%, but don't just blanket 3bet more, look out for good spots where OR should have a fairly light range.

You're also probably playing too passively postflop. Having such a positive blue line and such a negative red flop means you're probably giving up too much when you could either call down or bluff more.
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04-19-2018 , 11:35 AM
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Originally Posted by CaptainKlonk
Just to balance it up. Once again, this is a really small sample, but for my 38 last sng's from the same week my stats are like this.

What are your thoughts about that, regarding the agression you mentioned was lacking in my mtt-sample? Maybe strange to compare them, being two totally different games, but I seem to be so much more aggressive in sng's?

I'm really not able to help you much on short notice, is too big of a topic... but let's just say that those SNG numbers look a lot better than the MTT ones. obv it all varies around 6max / 8max / 9max avg stacks etc etc etc.

I have couple of friends with similar mtt stats and what is symptomatic for all of them is that they almost never get to the late phases with more than 20bbs and nit it up till the last blind...

You have to loosen up and build more stacks. You won't WIN tournament by surviving. Don't be scared to bust out on profitable 3bet shove or bluff or whatever, busting is part of the game. ROI comes from top3 finishes, not from sneaking into the FT with 6 big blinds. There are some good articles from ChuckBass on upswing site ( https://www.upswingpoker.com/author/miikka-anttonen/ ) , try seeing them, it might get you to understand what it takes to be a winning mtt player.
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04-19-2018 , 11:45 AM
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Originally Posted by nomalice
I'm really not able to help you much on short notice, is too big of a topic... but let's just say that those SNG numbers look a lot better than the MTT ones. obv it all varies around 6max / 8max / 9max avg stacks etc etc etc.

I have couple of friends with similar mtt stats and what is symptomatic for all of them is that they almost never get to the late phases with more than 20bbs and nit it up till the last blind...

You have to loosen up and build more stacks. You won't WIN tournament by surviving. Don't be scared to bust out on profitable 3bet shove or bluff or whatever, busting is part of the game. ROI comes from top3 finishes, not from sneaking into the FT with 6 big blinds. There are some good articles from ChuckBass on upswing site ( https://www.upswingpoker.com/author/miikka-anttonen/ ) , try seeing them, it might get you to understand what it takes to be a winning mtt player.
Wow. Thanks. I needed to hear that.
I can really relate to what you're sayin and more often than not I find myself just in shove-spots as the blinds go up. I'd say that in 9 out of 10 bubbles I'm stacking 10-15 blinds so I really think you're onto something here.

I guess it's a lot of different things. Scared of busting out, another tourney not making a big score etc. One thing when you get that deep is that I start evaluating what the tourney is worth, icm-wise, and I think that's when I nit up.
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04-19-2018 , 11:46 AM
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Originally Posted by poloplaya1414
Agree with nomalice above. Definitely not aggressive enough from late position. 5% 3bet is too low, should be closer to 10%, but don't just blanket 3bet more, look out for good spots where OR should have a fairly light range.

You're also probably playing too passively postflop. Having such a positive blue line and such a negative red flop means you're probably giving up too much when you could either call down or bluff more.
Thanks poloplaya. I was wondering how to interpret those lines specifically since I'm quite a novice on PT so far.
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04-20-2018 , 04:44 PM
I agree with what people have said here, you're probably playing too passively, but I think its important not to try to just try to play so your stats match certain numbers. Like, don't just 3bet bluff because you think you should be 3betting more - work to identify the spots that make good 3bet bluff spots and then the stats will naturally match your play.
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04-20-2018 , 05:44 PM
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I agree with what people have said here, you're probably playing too passively, but I think its important not to try to just try to play so your stats match certain numbers. Like, don't just 3bet bluff because you think you should be 3betting more - work to identify the spots that make good 3bet bluff spots and then the stats will naturally match your play.
Thanks Skelts,
Yeah, that's not my intention either. However, it's an eyeopener to me just hearing that I'm too passive overall and I appreciate it.
I've been studying a lot of spots from the sample I've come across and generally I think I'm missing quite a few.

For instance, button 25 bb deep and not 3-betting a villain with 40 bb in CO running 30/25 over 100 hands who's opening 2.5 when we hold KQs for example.
At least if we assume villain is opening 35-40% here, a 3-bet should be +ev instead of folding? At least to me that seems to may have been a missed spot ...

I think I def need to sharpen up my ranges, play position more actively and reach out more. And really appreciate your help.
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04-20-2018 , 06:09 PM
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Thanks Skelts,
Yeah, that's not my intention either. However, it's an eyeopener to me just hearing that I'm too passive overall and I appreciate it.
I've been studying a lot of spots from the sample I've come across and generally I think I'm missing quite a few.

For instance, button 25 bb deep and not 3-betting a villain with 40 bb in CO running 30/25 over 100 hands who's opening 2.5 when we hold KQs for example.
At least if we assume villain is opening 35-40% here, a 3-bet should be +ev instead of folding? At least to me that seems to may have been a missed spot ...

I think I def need to sharpen up my ranges, play position more actively and reach out more. And really appreciate your help.
25bb deep we're really stuck in reshove territory because its very hard to have us size a 3bet where we can fold to a shove if we're bluffing. With a hand like KQs, assuming the blinds are also passive players I'd be inclined to just flat in position and play against a loose fish - but KQo feels like a definite jam.

If the blinds are passive then I'm probably flatting hands like: A8s-ATs, KTs+, and a lot of suited connectors like 78s - QJs.

And shoving hands like ATo+, KJo+, all the better suited hands that are too good to flat, as well as all pairs. We can make an argument for flatting nutted hands like KK-AA at some frequency as well, also depending on the blinds tendencies.

If the blinds are aggressive and more prone to squeezing then we should be more aggressive with some of these hands as well.

I also think these spots have a ton of variation from player to player, so I'm curious what other peoples reshove ranges are. I'd also note that if this player was opening the button and we're in the sb with these hands, they're pretty much all reshoves.
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04-21-2018 , 06:08 AM
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Originally Posted by JSkelts
25bb deep we're really stuck in reshove territory because its very hard to have us size a 3bet where we can fold to a shove if we're bluffing. With a hand like KQs, assuming the blinds are also passive players I'd be inclined to just flat in position and play against a loose fish - but KQo feels like a definite jam.

If the blinds are passive then I'm probably flatting hands like: A8s-ATs, KTs+, and a lot of suited connectors like 78s - QJs.

And shoving hands like ATo+, KJo+, all the better suited hands that are too good to flat, as well as all pairs. We can make an argument for flatting nutted hands like KK-AA at some frequency as well, also depending on the blinds tendencies.

If the blinds are aggressive and more prone to squeezing then we should be more aggressive with some of these hands as well.

I also think these spots have a ton of variation from player to player, so I'm curious what other peoples reshove ranges are. I'd also note that if this player was opening the button and we're in the sb with these hands, they're pretty much all reshoves.
Yeah. I'm not convinced shoving is optimal, but please explain?
My first thought was to 3-bet/fold, say to 720, and that should be +ev. even though 25 bb is very marginal and would be better if we were 40-45 deep.
Depending on our image, Villain is probably just 4-betting top 5-6% and if we assume he's opening nearly 40 I think we have enough f-eq?
25 bb deep it seems kinda spewy stacking off with kq imo, but I'd like to really understand your reasoning.

78s/910s seems interesting to me, I really can't see why we'd defend our button with those hands? Playing sc postflop againt a lag, facing a c-bet of 3-4 bb 70% of the time roughly in this spot where we're not that likely to flop well enough to play for stacks and really aren't in that kind of a hurry to make move? But maybe I'm totally off here?

I'd like to throw it out also that 55- is prob a fold here, but I would really love to hear if this is far to weak according to you?

If blinds are over-prone to squeezing I believe kk+ here is really good for flatting.

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04-21-2018 , 03:13 PM
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Yeah. I'm not convinced shoving is optimal, but please explain?
My first thought was to 3-bet/fold, say to 720, and that should be +ev. even though 25 bb is very marginal and would be better if we were 40-45 deep.
Depending on our image, Villain is probably just 4-betting top 5-6% and if we assume he's opening nearly 40 I think we have enough f-eq?
25 bb deep it seems kinda spewy stacking off with kq imo, but I'd like to really understand your reasoning.

78s/910s seems interesting to me, I really can't see why we'd defend our button with those hands? Playing sc postflop againt a lag, facing a c-bet of 3-4 bb 70% of the time roughly in this spot where we're not that likely to flop well enough to play for stacks and really aren't in that kind of a hurry to make move? But maybe I'm totally off here?

I'd like to throw it out also that 55- is prob a fold here, but I would really love to hear if this is far to weak according to you?

If blinds are over-prone to squeezing I believe kk+ here is really good for flatting.
I just dont think we have the stack size to maneuver here. For example CO opens 2.5bb, we 3b 8bb and suddenly 1/3 of our stack is in the middle and we have to call any jam as we're simply priced in. If your opponent is truly opening 40% of hands then KQs is going to be so far ahead of this range that we can just flat for value, or 3bet jam - both are fine. I think hands like KQo, KJo, suited wheel aces, all pairs are just slam dunk shoves here since even without antes we're going to chip up by 20% if we get a fold (and I promise we will get a ton from a 40% opening range).

For the suited connnectors, if your opponent is opening super wide and cbetting often, we need to raise and commit ourselves otf with any equity since our opponents range is simply too wide.
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