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08-21-2018 , 07:05 PM
What is the appropriate ratio of wins to punts to know you aren't punting too much?

Asking for a friend.
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08-22-2018 , 09:06 AM
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Originally Posted by Pcallinallin
What is the appropriate ratio of wins to punts to know you aren't punting too much?

Asking for a friend.
Why would you punt any tournament?
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08-22-2018 , 10:38 AM
Each of my wins are made up of at least 5-10 heavy punts in that tournament alone, so it's a loaded question

#nogamblenofuture?
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08-23-2018 , 12:12 AM
After reviewing with my friend, it seems a more interesting question arises.

Often times situations arise where both players face +EV situations. For one player maybe its +100 and the other its +10. Specifically, say AJo vs 79s. If one opens and the other jams, the other can make the +EV call.

Last night I had a hand where 79 opens, I jam Aj and he calls. I do the math, my play is +300,000 chip EV, his was +3000. I was...I mean my friend was upset that he made a sound call here by such a small margin (we are 12 handed in a 700 player field). If we win we are 2nd in chips with 11 left.

So maybe more important than a win to punt ratio, my friend wants to know how close you have to be to theoretically perfect in these spots? Can this be expressed in a stack percentage, say you cant pass up any +ev spots that increase stack by x%. In the above example we are 300K deep and the jam was for 272000. This means that either I was facing a complete donk, which is probably the case. OR this player led for the exact amount which led to calling off with +1% stack increase amount of ev.

I hope this makes some sense to someone other than my friend and I.
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08-23-2018 , 12:28 AM
I guess he called thinking you had the exact type of hand and figured if his cards are live he has a shot, I'd say you're facing more of a donkey at that point if hes r/c with 97o. To point you should thinking more about EV when you're close to big pay jumps or the bubble and final table, you'll have a better chance to apply pressure in those spots and make more +EV decisions with the added benefit of people trying to survive or the ones picking on the survivors. Essentially you can steal from the people stealing. Hope this helps I'm not entirely sure what you mean by stack % lol imo if you can increase your stack in a spot you feel is +EV, go for it.
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08-23-2018 , 01:57 AM
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Originally Posted by UntimelyBluff
I guess he called thinking you had the exact type of hand and figured if his cards are live he has a shot, I'd say you're facing more of a donkey at that point if hes r/c with 97o. To point you should thinking more about EV when you're close to big pay jumps or the bubble and final table, you'll have a better chance to apply pressure in those spots and make more +EV decisions with the added benefit of people trying to survive or the ones picking on the survivors. Essentially you can steal from the people stealing. Hope this helps I'm not entirely sure what you mean by stack % lol imo if you can increase your stack in a spot you feel is +EV, go for it.
Thanks. I think I do very well at the type of spot you are talking about. He busted like 2 hands later so he might have played for 6 hours to spazz out once he made $100. ($15 buy in).

What I mean by % stack is that since every hand is different with stack sizes etc, we can generalize by referring to % of stack or % of chips in play or something so we can compare a $50 to a $5 and a 100 runner to a 1000 runner without getting super specific to the tournament dynamics. At the end of it there is an amount of chips it is +ev and that is a percentage of some relative amount, be it our stack or all chips in play.

Last edited by Pcallinallin; 08-23-2018 at 01:58 AM. Reason: ****. I meant my friend.
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