This was in the Bahamas for the PartyPoker $10M guarantee. The buy-in is $5,300. There are multiple starting days. This is Day 1C.

Its the first level and we are 3 handed and waiting. The table will eventually be 8 handed, but people show up late and are still registering.

Just a checkup in this spot.

The villain said he had won a side event in Montreal. He looks to be early 60s.

Starting stack is 1,000,000
blinds 2K/5K w 2K ante

Hero has 66 OTB and raises to 15K
SB folds, BB Calls

Flop: KJ6
Check, Hero bets 30K, villain calls

Turn: K
Check, Hero bets 75K, Villain raises to 275K, hero calls

River: 8
Villain bets 575K, hero shoves

Standard?

BB calling range can be really wide here. It is less likely BB have AK, A's, Q's, K's, J's here since there are no 3 bet pre. C-Bet and double barrel pretty standard here. But I am curious why OP doesn't want to re-raise all-in on turn instead of waiting to the river? I think the decision to whether continue to show down or laying down your hand decision should be made on turn instead of river.

What hand Villain can raise here on turn? KJs, KJo, maybe any Kx and K6s which is less likely. In fact, I will consider folding here on turn because it is very likely our 6's not good here because a raise by villain on turn basically already polarized his hand.

I know my decision might be a bit tight to fold a full house here on turn. But let's figure out why BB will make such decision to raise on turn. If oesd semi-bluff, there should be a raise on flop instead of turn. There are no bdfd on turn either. Basically on turn, we only beat Kx, nothing else. It is a tight fold thought, but I think a great laydown should be a wise decision here.

It is standard, but what do you beat? What bothers me is your info that he won a side event, so he has to be at least semi-competent. I can see a BB flatting AK sometimes this early this deep, but that's all you realistically beat. WTF to betting 575K OTR with only 200K behind?

Minor point: Considering how deep we are and that we'd still have a reasonable stack left is there any merit to just flatting rather than shoving?

Major point: Once villain bombs turn you have to know likely he's going with his hand on the river, so we basically have to decide on the turn if this player is capable of overplaying Kx here three-handed or bluffing in level one.

I actually sort of get that as a level to get people to call off in situations they might not otherwise consider calling off in because they know they'd have chips behind, and if you're outright bluffing it leaves you a workable stack if you do get called or shoved on.

I agree with you. I flat a lot of AK bb in early stages and it is highly profitable in my experience.

Looks fine, the river shove vs flat seems like the only spot that's even debatable. I don't have a strong opinion either way.

3betting the turn feels like it's got a fair chance to let a king off cheap.

Rec players have no idea what they're doing 3 handed, which makes folding at any point a bad idea IMO.

no idea why we want to shove river with a bluffcatcher.

rest is std obv.

Villain is not a rec and won a side tournament in Montreal.

Secondly, I don't think we got a fair chance to let a king off cheap 3 betting turn here. I believe most player can't fold king on turn especially 3 handed.

Lastly, I think there are not much debatable on river whether to shove or not because shoving a bluff catcher is crazy move to me since I only opt to call turn. You only beat bluff when shoving on river, what's the point to throw away your chips even more if you are likely to get called only if you are beat?

Recs win tournaments all the time.

"He can't fold a king on the turn" and "he can never bet river with a king (or, alternatively, he can fold a king getting 17-1)" do not seem logically consistent to me.

Maybe I can think more in-depth about what you are advising. Maybe I am way too tight because I believe I will fold on turn Villain raise here. I will be thinking that I can beat nothing but only a Kx here. I just don't have a reason to eliminate KJ here on Villain range according to his action. If I make a decision to go for show down, I will definitely 3 bet shove on turn here. If I decided to call turn, I really don't find a reason why I need to raise river anymore.

seems std, never folding top of range btn vs bb

It’s bc ak makes money
Flatting ak When u have the option to re raise just makes u less $

I know AK makes money but it doesn't mean flatting AK makes less in early stages. It just makes more when flatting in BB position. I found a lot of player overvalued AQ, AJ and single pair on early stages. Balancing some of your strong range doesn't mean its a bad way to do during early stages.

i mean, this guy suggested folding our FH ott, so do u really think youre gonna be able to reason with him?

yes std OP

Is it crazy play to fold FH ott? What your 6's can beat here? What hands can you beat Villain raise ott? What hand range can Villain call pre on BB? KJ is definitely everyone range here on BB. What bluff can Villain x/r on turn? No oesd, no flush and the only possible hand bluff or Villain overplaying are Kx and the only hand Hero can beat. Take a small loss about 10% of your stack or gamble all your chips which have almost no bluffing hand available. I don't think it is crazy to find a fold here.

Let's go back all the way to pre-flop. Hero open OTB with 6's and Villain on BB call. What hand range Villain can have? We almost certainly can eliminate J's, Q's, K's, A's, AK, AQ here otherwise a 3 bet by Villain. On the flop, Hero c-bet and Villain call. What hand range Villain can call c-bet here? KJ, Kx, maybe AJ, QT are much more likely to raise semi-bluff here either oesd or bdfd. Turn come a K and Hero double barrel. If a player that capable to win a side event, I believe more likely he already fold QT or bdfd here on Hero double barrel, AJ maybe x/c. The only possible Villain can raise either KJ, overplaying trips Kx, nothing else. So what hand can your lowest FH beat here? You either gamble all your chips away which highly likely you are beat or take a 10% loss of your stacks and wait for better spots.

lol

I mean, last night you were arguing with me that Kx not only raises the turn but calls a 3bet.

I don't understand and I don't think I am arguing about calling a 3 bet turn with Kx. If I am the Villain, I don't think I can fold Kx here and I will opt to call hero turn bet instead of raising. I mean in hero situation and Villain did raise ott, I will either 4 bet shove or just fold, Call will definitely out of my mind. No point to call here. Just let the pressure over to Villain if he raise me with Kx, either throw all your chips with Kx with few outs left or I'm beat. 4 bet turn also eliminate the chance of hero getting outdraw by Kx and take down the 350k chips risk free.

Don't laugh at other people thinking when you can't even explain the logic ott call. It doesn't benefit others at all with this kind of posting. Joining forum and reading other people hands are a way of improving but I don't see reading your this kind of post benefit.

I really couldn't understand the logic behind hero turn call. I might opt to call on turn only if there are some sd or fd combo out there. We slow play strong hand because we want to extract as many chips from villain and allow him to go for draw, especially when we assume villain is drawing dead. It is pretty obvious that either Villain had Kx or had hero hand beat and I believe this is the logic behind Villain raise because there are almost no more combo draw for semi-bluff out there. As said, if hero opt to call ott, what's hero plan on the river when a blank come? Call, raise or fold? If standard as mentioned either call or raise, why would hero giving Villain a chance to peel so cheap without protecting his own lowest FH ott with 4 bet shove? Explain it and show your veteran contributors here.

Nobody needs to be shown anything. Nobody else is confused about the turn spot.

If there are no confusion, then tell me what's the logic behind of only flat call ott? How does it benefit your play for flat call? You must have a logic behind for action isn't it? Unless you don't even understand what you are doing. I remember when I was studying, my lecturer always tells me a sentence. "When you don't know how to explain how you get your answer, this means you don't know what you are doing". Its simple but its true.

https://youtu.be/clAO1W_P-zU?t=272

Look at David Peter hand here. I have tonnes of explanation and understand the logic behind why he slow play and check turn or even over bet the pot otr. This is world class poker logic playing. I just can't find any logic behind OP hand call turn was standard here and what's his planning otr.

By the way, please tell this pro he is so stupid to flat AK at BB.

https://youtu.be/PaWCpdp-nRc?t=2630

I am not watching a 48 minute video, please give me the timestamp of the AK flat.