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Old 08-03-2020, 05:31 PM   #1
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PAHWM - $200 Home Game Tourney - FT (KK)

Saturday evening a $200 dollar buy in 27 person MTT. Pretty familiar group of players, with some exceptions. We are currently at the final table with 8 players remaining. It pays 6 spots (1st is roughly 2400, min cash like 350).

We are chip leader 60 bigs with a very TAG image. There is one short stack with 9 bigs, One decent stack of 50 bigs, and then everyone else has 20-28 bigs. So we are in a great position. There is only one other threat at the table who is LAG and plays tough end-game. Table is playing TIGHT, as we are close to the bubble - very few flops.

Villain is probably one of the more competent players, knows when to fold, when to push, he's a bit ambitious with bluffs and can get out of line, but generally plays a decent game. He can be a bit weak and passive/nitty sometimes tho. Decent rec. OTH

Blinds 400/800 Ante 100

We are dealt KK in MP ~48K

Villain (UTG) ~25K Limps (!), folds to Hero who raises to 2800, Short stack jams for 8K, folds to Villain who FLATS, Hero Jam or Flat/Trap?

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1) at this point there is roughly 20K in the pot

2) V's hand is 100% face up. He only has AK, or 99 (bottom) - QQ (top), sure there is a chance he's been trapping with AA the whole way but highly unlikely. So we know we are in a great place to take his stack.

3) Jamming to iso the short stack who has any decent pair, Ax whatever suited, maybe suited broadways etc and a win brings us a nice pot, we go to 80-85 bigs, and we just grind. That said, V may find a call getting at least 3 to 1 with a decent pair or a weirdly played AK, and thus, it's a multiway with a huge advantage albeit a more high variance approach.

3) Flatting majorly under reps our hand and to me makes it look disguised as AK. This way, on a non A flop, we get his stack (if we can dodge the 2 outer). Also, if for some reason he has AK and he jams, we can get away from it - and still have 50 bigs, feeling we are most competent at table, and we are bummed about missing our chance to potentially fold him out but still in great shape

Jam seems obvious, but maybe some are flatting? What's your first decision?
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Old 08-03-2020, 05:41 PM   #2
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Re: PAHWM - $200 Home Game Tourney - FT (KK)

In this particular spot, I flat and trap/evaluate. Our hand is dramatically under-repped and we can get V to stack off in a very advantageous situation, and we can exhibit caution on flops that smash V's range. Against described V, I might given him credit for more AA traps than you are giving him (but of course you have much more experience with this V, so I'm just going off general description). But if he is trapping AA, you're likely going to stack off anyhow after the flop -- although you have the advantage of avoiding that with an A on the flop.
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Old 08-03-2020, 06:40 PM   #3
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Re: PAHWM - $200 Home Game Tourney - FT (KK)

Is this a serious post? Go all in. You'd much rather villain fold their equity. If villain has AA, then whatever, you still have chips and can suckout.
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Old 08-03-2020, 09:04 PM   #4
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Is this a serious post? Go all in. You'd much rather villain fold their equity. If villain has AA, then whatever, you still have chips and can suckout.
Well so far one other poster said the complete opposite of you, so yeah, I guess it’s serious.

Also - can you elaborate on why I’d rather have him fold his equity when we are 4 to 1 favs Pre and he needs a miracle 2 outer or an A scare card to not stack off in this spot - I would appreciate more detail - I’m not advocating either way
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Old 08-04-2020, 12:29 AM   #5
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Re: PAHWM - $200 Home Game Tourney - FT (KK)

Sorry for being condescending. Have $hit mood recently.

If he's stacking off with those hands then you are printing $, and if he folds you are printing $. If you flat you invite situations where you are not printing $EV. For instance. Flop comes AT2sss and he open jams QsQc and you fold. Or he has 99 which he would've folded and hits 9 and now you stack off drawing very thin. Or he has 99-QQ which would've stacked off pre but folds to an A or K flopping. It just doesn't make any sense. Flatting is pure fancy play syndrome, and is not advisable.

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Old 08-04-2020, 02:23 AM   #6
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Re: PAHWM - $200 Home Game Tourney - FT (KK)

If you flat, pot will have 25k and V will have a 17k stack - are you really ever folding if he shoves OTF when no A hits? Shove. The only guy I would not shove pre on would be the 50bb stack.
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Old 08-04-2020, 07:26 AM   #7
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Re: PAHWM - $200 Home Game Tourney - FT (KK)

Appreciate all the responses so far....so we decide to do what we do in this spot like 10% of the time because.... balance (lol)

Flop (25k)

Jc 7c 3d

V shoves, we snap. You know the rest. The end.
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Old 08-04-2020, 08:55 AM   #8
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Jj, 77 or 33? We don’t know the rest because you still had 25-30bbs, ie, about average stack.....
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Old 08-04-2020, 10:21 AM   #9
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Re: PAHWM - $200 Home Game Tourney - FT (KK)

I would be jamming pre-flop. We want to look like we are bullying so we can get calls from smaller pairs.

And at 2.5:1 we probably will get calls from many pairs and certainly from AK.

I don't mind if we get a fold because then we only have one opponent to beat with KK.
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Old 08-04-2020, 11:16 AM   #10
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If you flat, pot will have 25k and V will have a 17k stack - are you really ever folding if he shoves OTF when no A hits? Shove. The only guy I would not shove pre on would be the 50bb stack.
Sorry, I totally misread. I thought the remaining V was the 50 bb stack. Agree you have to jam here, my response was to the very specific 50 bb player.
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Old 08-04-2020, 05:57 PM   #11
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Re: PAHWM - $200 Home Game Tourney - FT (KK)

He had JJ. When the flop cams I just said omg - then he jammed and it was exactly as feared - he went on to win the 2400 and I bubbled after flopping J and two clubs with AJcc all in on the flop vs KK
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Old 08-04-2020, 06:18 PM   #12
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Just a cooler. He's not mucking if you jam pre. So GG.
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Old 08-04-2020, 08:24 PM   #13
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Yeah jj is calling if you shove preflop after putting in 8k. Agree with bubblebust - a cooler.
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Old 08-07-2020, 12:55 PM   #14
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Re: PAHWM - $200 Home Game Tourney - FT (KK)

You probably should not register in the first place and save $200
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