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07-22-2018 , 05:49 PM
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I have widdled down to 15 bbs and jam UTG+1 with 9sTs and get jammed over by JTo I river a 9 and doubled up.

Now I am UTG and pick up AK and jam and lose to KK and TT.

A lot of people have told me this is far to big of an open and raise +GII is better.

What I am wondering is if I picked up AA KK or QQ and then raised 2.5 wouldn't that change my image and exploit my range? Should't I ship all my premiums here at 34ish BBs?

I felt that jamming any premium I got would get no respect and would get called off super light. What do you think?

Last edited by TheCake; 07-22-2018 at 05:56 PM.
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07-22-2018 , 06:34 PM
Nope fishy and awful
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07-22-2018 , 08:15 PM
Nothing over 15bb should this ever be open jam

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07-22-2018 , 11:19 PM
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Originally Posted by SHIP_DAT
Nothing over 15bb should this ever be open jam

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I draw the line a little higher, based on position. Basically 10+ number of potential callers, give or take based on image, whatever, but I am absolutely fine at a competent table jamming from UTG with 15-18BBs.

35 is off the chart.
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07-22-2018 , 11:24 PM
I was relying on my image having just doubled up with T9ss. I was hoping people would put me way wider than what I had. It was obviously too much.
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07-22-2018 , 11:56 PM
You jammed 15bb previous hand. Not 34. You can't really think villians at the table don't put you on that exact thought process.

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07-23-2018 , 01:00 AM
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Originally Posted by 3for3poker
I draw the line a little higher, based on position. Basically 10+ number of potential callers, give or take based on image, whatever, but I am absolutely fine at a competent table jamming from UTG with 15-18BBs.

35 is off the chart.
At 18bb I imagine we're going to have a range that will open/fold to 3b and open/4b jam. So what are we just stacking off with here? AK/99-QQ? We're getting pretty face up.

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07-23-2018 , 01:14 AM
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Originally Posted by SHIP_DAT
You jammed 15bb previous hand. Not 34. You can't really think villians at the table don't put you on that exact thought process.

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Not many seem to think too deep in this field. The guy who had KK jammed 35bb with JTo over my shove. He earlier limped in UTG with 72hh and proceed to check down a 4 way flop to the river with T 7 7 3 9 board
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07-23-2018 , 01:21 AM
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Originally Posted by SHIP_DAT
At 18bb I imagine we're going to have a range that will open/fold to 3b and open/4b jam. So what are we just stacking off with here? AK/99-QQ? We're getting pretty face up.

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No, at that stack size I am just jamming or folding. Might not be optimal, but it is certainly wider than that, and uncapped too.
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07-23-2018 , 05:23 AM
Have to jam 72s pre for balance youll need to add some bluffs for 35bb jam
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07-23-2018 , 10:13 AM
It's not that the jam is that much worse than opening to a normal size or -EV, the main problem is removing so many strong hands from your normal opening range.
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07-25-2018 , 04:19 AM
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Originally Posted by SHIP_DAT
Nothing over 15bb should this ever be open jam

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It might be dangerous and exploitable to opt for such a binary strat.

"almost ever" would already be a more accurate statement

Cheers.

PS: OP, i think you already had the answers you were looking for and take note of Soepgroente valuable comment
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07-26-2018 , 02:12 PM
If you're shoving here, it needs to be with your entire opening range. However, opening to a normal amount with a playable stack like 35BBs seems far and away a better and lower variance strategy.
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07-26-2018 , 02:36 PM
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Originally Posted by swissodds
It might be dangerous and exploitable to opt for such a binary strat.

"almost ever" would already be a more accurate statement

Cheers.

PS: OP, i think you already had the answers you were looking for and take note of Soepgroente valuable comment
Ya I think doubling up the prior hand clouded my decision making. I also thought it would look super strong to min click or 2.5 UTG after doubling up.
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07-26-2018 , 03:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Soepgroente
It's not that the jam is that much worse than opening to a normal size or -EV, the main problem is removing so many strong hands from your normal opening range.
+1000000000000000000
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