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03-11-2018 , 04:03 PM

esiseb

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Join Date: Jan 2017 Posts: 25

Do we call or raise here?
If we call what's the plan on rivers?

No Limit Hold'em Tournament T150/T300
Buy-in: $200+$15 USD Hold'em No Limit
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9 players

Stacks:
UTG - UTG (T20,693)
UTG+1 - UTG+1 (T23,955)
UTG+2 - UTG+2 (T15,237)
MP - MP (T34,571)
MP2 - MP2 (T12,707)
CO - CO (T9,025)
BTN - BTN (T26,712)
SB - SB (T11,510)
BB - Hero (T9,880)

Preflop: (T720, 9 players) Hero is BB with T

2 folds, UTG+2 raises to T627, 3 folds, BTN calls T627, 1 fold, Hero calls T327

Flop: J

(T2,301, 3 players)
Hero checks, UTG+2 checks, BTN bets T1,200, Hero calls T1,200, UTG+2 calls T1,200

Turn: 3

(T5,901, 3 players)
Hero checks, UTG+2 checks, BTN bets T2,700, Hero ?

Last edited by esiseb; 03-11-2018 at 04:08 PM.

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03-11-2018 , 04:40 PM

julien.roy

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Join Date: Mar 2017 Posts: 151

If we JAM we are faceup and this board is really dry.

On another hand BTN has alot of KQ for which we would like to deny equity.

Considering we are multiway And considering SPR, I would JAM here.

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03-11-2018 , 05:09 PM

Shortfuse

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Join Date: Mar 2015 Posts: 259

Calling and playing rivers. Rather be raising stronger trips than this, especially since BTN can easily have suited broadway trips here. Gives us a pretty good check call hand on almost any river too.

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03-11-2018 , 05:11 PM

SHIP_DAT

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Join Date: Feb 2018 Posts: 280

the only thing a raise accomplishes here is equity denial. Just call it down, leave bluffs in V range. If he hits oh well

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03-11-2018 , 05:27 PM

julien.roy

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Originally Posted by SHIP_DAT

the only thing a raise accomplishes here is equity denial. Just call it down, leave bluffs in V range. If he hits oh well

So call and fold to 9 and A? Or call and call any river. Maybe call is marginally better here.

JAM is also fine imo, but if we call UTG+2 will call behind after calling this flop.

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03-11-2018 , 05:28 PM

julien.roy

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Originally Posted by Shortfuse

Do we ever have strong trips in the BB?

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03-11-2018 , 06:22 PM

SHIP_DAT

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Originally Posted by julien.roy

I'm not pinpointing V range to one hand. I'm saying call down. Can definitely see AK/AQ firing a barrel here. Thinking we want other V money in the pot here as well. What are we getting called by if we jam? Isn't it really just boats and better trips? Maybe AA/KK makes a weak call? Just flat and call the third barrel on the river imo

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03-11-2018 , 06:29 PM

julien.roy

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Originally Posted by SHIP_DAT

I’m not arguing the play, I’m wondering what we do OTR.

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03-11-2018 , 09:30 PM

SHIP_DAT

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Originally Posted by julien.roy

I’m not arguing the play, I’m wondering what we do OTR.

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Assuming V jams river I don't think we ever fold. Should be getting something like 4.5:1. That's why I prefer the call/call line here. If we start the hand with like 15k or even 12k then it becomes much more trivial imo. Calling down leaves bluffs in his range as opposed to jamming turn.

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03-11-2018 , 09:48 PM

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julien.roy

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Originally Posted by SHIP_DAT

I just think a competent villain would never jam river with worst. Check back most hands that dont beat trip 10 with this SPR. Might be wrong.

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03-11-2018 , 11:28 PM

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SHIP_DAT

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Originally Posted by julien.roy

I just think a competent villain would never jam river with worst. Check back most hands that dont beat trip 10 with this SPR. Might be wrong.

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Agreed, but we're not arguing laying this hand down right? We can't call and fold to a river bet after we put in over half our stack. So it's between call/call and jamming turn. It sucks but we kinda just gotta turn this into a bluff catcher. If we jam and get called we most likely are drawing to 3 outs or less. Call/call picks off thin value bets and bluffs.

I guess my thought is that by jamming turn we get called by all better hands and worse hands fold. By going call/call, yes we run into better hands sometimes but we can widen V range by allowing him to be the aggressor since we plan on getting it in anyway.

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03-11-2018 , 11:31 PM

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julien.roy

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Originally Posted by SHIP_DAT

It depends how wide we jam here. I would Jam fairly wider than trips so I prefer a jam. If you are creatives with bluffs to jam on the turn (for me would be small PP and QK). Sucks cause we block some of villains cbet, but value would be fhs trip T.

I think it might be + EV. We should ask a solver.

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03-11-2018 , 11:47 PM

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jpgiro

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When we create this SPR on the flop and hit trips I can't ever see folding. If villain is even slightly capable of triple barreling bluffs I like calling down much better than jamming.

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03-12-2018 , 12:17 AM

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SHIP_DAT

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How much of V range calls a jam that doesn't go in on the river? The only difference is that we widen V range by flatting. I get that you would jam wider but that's irrelevant, the question is would you call wider.

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