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Old 12-02-2017, 10:41 PM   #676
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Re: Official MSMTT quick checkup thread

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I'm a super occasional fish, qualified for the SM from some 11$ tournament.
back again guys, got a bit deeper this time. qualified again and even though I play the SM so rarely, I like to save some hands and analyze them later. Last 19, next pay jump was 17, but it was stagnating for a while now, everyone was kinda tight at that point.

do we get it in here with 21bb?

https://www.boomplayer.com/26045495_FAAE17555E

same villain, an orbit later, I have a phobia with AT, it got me in so much trouble, do we get it in pre with 19bb here? standard shove post flop?

https://www.boomplayer.com/26045521_780F78FBFF

thanks a lot guys, best of luck!
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Old 01-15-2018, 06:00 AM   #677
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back again guys, got a bit deeper this time. qualified again and even though I play the SM so rarely, I like to save some hands and analyze them later. Last 19, next pay jump was 17, but it was stagnating for a while now, everyone was kinda tight at that point.

do we get it in here with 21bb?

https://www.boomplayer.com/26045495_FAAE17555E

same villain, an orbit later, I have a phobia with AT, it got me in so much trouble, do we get it in pre with 19bb here? standard shove post flop?

https://www.boomplayer.com/26045521_780F78FBFF

thanks a lot guys, best of luck!
I think hand 1 should be ai 3 bet. Im not an expert on ICM, so maybe with pay jump close it could be a call, but calling leaves you open to squeeze and you have to fold, so shove seems better.
Hand 2 is a close spot between calling pre and getting it in. Post flop play is good imo
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Old 05-19-2018, 04:28 PM   #678
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Re: Official MSMTT quick checkup thread

I've been away for some time and I've seen regs 4-b-shoving ~50bb? Anyone care to tell me whats that all about/what ranges they're doing it with? (might just be in Bounties tho)
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Old 05-27-2018, 05:16 AM   #679
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Re: Official MSMTT quick checkup thread

just played a very soft live $250. 16 of 302 left, I've got an average stack. Table is all around average, playing fairly nitty. Blinds just jumped up quite a bit - 8-handed we have 925k at blinds of 40k/80k with a 10k ante and are dealt 44 UTG. Thought this was a trivial shove but couldn't get an ICM calculator to confirm. Thanks
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Old 08-23-2018, 01:00 PM   #680
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Re: Official MSMTT quick checkup thread

Wondering if I should have done anything different...

Live $100+$25 bounty ... still in the middle parts of the tournament (~100 / 240 players)

Blinds are 500/1k (w/1k button ante) - I'm UTG (~37k) w/ AQs (full table)

I Raise to 2600
UTG+1 3bets to 7400

Now, while he was thinking, UTG+2 actually folded, and before dealer could tell everyone to stop (ie: half a second before UTG+1 raised), CO calls my 2600 (at pretty much same time UTG+1 was putting his raise in).

When the raise is announced, CO then simply calls the raise (7400).

Folds back to me.

I debated shoving at that point. Figured I'm likely ahead of CO...UTG+1 however is a good player, and hadn't stepped out of line so far (we'd been playing together since start). UTG+1 has ~50k. CO has ~40k.

End up just calling - pot is 24.7k, and I have ~30k left.

Flop is AdKc3c

Goes Check, Check and CO bets 11k.

Figured I'm ahead and shove...

UTG+1 folds (he had QQ)...CO calls w/ ATcc, so we're basically flipping.

Shove pre-Flop here, or do anything else differently?
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Old 09-02-2018, 07:35 AM   #681
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Re: Official MSMTT quick checkup thread

I'd be happy shoving both of those last two hands in online freezeouts. But maybe the KO format means you should be less likely to shove there, as you're the shorter stack?
Although, I wanted to check a similar hand myself

PokerStars - 400/800 Ante 80 NL - Holdem - 9 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

Hero (SB): 56.06 BB
BB: 64.46 BB (VPIP: 16.67, PFR: 16.67, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 6)
UTG: 37.03 BB (VPIP: 22.35, PFR: 14.46, 3Bet Preflop: 2.94, Hands: 86)
UTG+1: 61.5 BB (VPIP: 23.68, PFR: 14.29, 3Bet Preflop: 4.88, Hands: 190)
MP: 23.15 BB (VPIP: 17.24, PFR: 14.29, 3Bet Preflop: 6.67, Hands: 30)
MP+1: 44.59 BB (VPIP: 20.83, PFR: 18.57, 3Bet Preflop: 3.57, Hands: 72)
MP+2: 27.49 BB (VPIP: 28.57, PFR: 23.73, 3Bet Preflop: 12.50, Hands: 63)
CO: 16.45 BB (VPIP: 10.71, PFR: 7.27, 3Bet Preflop: 4.00, Hands: 57)
BTN: 45.36 BB (VPIP: 28.57, PFR: 14.29, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 7)

9 players post ante of 0 BB, Hero posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 2.4 BB) Hero has Q Q

fold, fold, fold, MP+1 raises to 2.2 BB, fold, fold, BTN raises to 6 BB,

Poker Stars $55 Marathon. Shove or fold?
(a small 4-bet would be more than a third of button's stack, so I discounted that option)
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Old 11-15-2018, 12:02 PM   #682
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Re: Official MSMTT quick checkup thread

Party $33 8max. 300 left about 110 paid. Villain is playing 23/15 and has cbet 5/5 in about 80 hands.

3k/6k/680 ante, I have 133k and villain covers. Villain 16800 UTG, I call UTG+1 QJcc everyone else folds. A98r with the 8c, villain 24k, I jam. Thoughts?
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Old 11-28-2018, 10:24 AM   #683
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Re: Official MSMTT quick checkup thread

Pretty straightforward spot. Even if they both shove only 10% {ATs} has 27% equity 3-ways, but win OR lose it just always feels so fishy when we call it off w/ these kinds of hands. So a sanity check would be nice.

No ICM--we're still like 5 tables left

PokerStars - 1500/3000 Ante 300 NL - Holdem - 9 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

MP+1: 24,887 (VPIP: 33.33, PFR: 33.33, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 6)
MP+2: 55,634 (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 6)
Hero (CO): 73,480
BTN: 36,226 (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 6)
SB: 16,846 (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: -, Hands: 3)
BB: 22,624 (VPIP: 16.67, PFR: 20.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 6)
UTG: 40,485 (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 6)
UTG+1: 46,629 (VPIP: 16.67, PFR: 16.67, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 6)
MP: 80,642 (VPIP: 16.67, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 6)

9 players post ante of 300, SB posts SB 1,500, BB posts BB 3,000

Pre Flop: (pot: 7,200) Hero has T A

fold, fold, fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to 6,000, fold, SB raises to 16,546 and is all-in, BB raises to 22,324 and is all-in
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Old 11-28-2018, 10:30 AM   #684
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Party $33 8max. 300 left about 110 paid. Villain is playing 23/15 and has cbet 5/5 in about 80 hands.

3k/6k/680 ante, I have 133k and villain covers. Villain 16800 UTG, I call UTG+1 QJcc everyone else folds. A98r with the 8c, villain 24k, I jam. Thoughts?
Seems too thin w/ 24bb vs UTG open. He folds like {77, KK} and that's about it. You either block everything else or he simly doesn't have it in his range (hands like {QQ, 66, etc})

Might even be a fold pre vs the nearly 3x open

Flop prob OK if you have a FD, or on non-A-high board where V can now be cbetting w/ A-high that you can bluff him off of and where you have additional equity due to having two overs as opposed to two unders.
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Old 11-28-2018, 10:57 AM   #685
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I'd be happy shoving both of those last two hands in online freezeouts. But maybe the KO format means you should be less likely to shove there, as you're the shorter stack?
Although, I wanted to check a similar hand myself

PokerStars - 400/800 Ante 80 NL - Holdem - 9 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

Hero (SB): 56.06 BB
BB: 64.46 BB (VPIP: 16.67, PFR: 16.67, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 6)
UTG: 37.03 BB (VPIP: 22.35, PFR: 14.46, 3Bet Preflop: 2.94, Hands: 86)
UTG+1: 61.5 BB (VPIP: 23.68, PFR: 14.29, 3Bet Preflop: 4.88, Hands: 190)
MP: 23.15 BB (VPIP: 17.24, PFR: 14.29, 3Bet Preflop: 6.67, Hands: 30)
MP+1: 44.59 BB (VPIP: 20.83, PFR: 18.57, 3Bet Preflop: 3.57, Hands: 72)
MP+2: 27.49 BB (VPIP: 28.57, PFR: 23.73, 3Bet Preflop: 12.50, Hands: 63)
CO: 16.45 BB (VPIP: 10.71, PFR: 7.27, 3Bet Preflop: 4.00, Hands: 57)
BTN: 45.36 BB (VPIP: 28.57, PFR: 14.29, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 7)

9 players post ante of 0 BB, Hero posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 2.4 BB) Hero has Q Q

fold, fold, fold, MP+1 raises to 2.2 BB, fold, fold, BTN raises to 6 BB,

Poker Stars $55 Marathon. Shove or fold?
(a small 4-bet would be more than a third of button's stack, so I discounted that option)
Probably just jamming it in here and getting mildly annoyed when I invariably lose. Doubt it's good to have any cold-call range here,. and jamming range would be something like {JJ+, AQs+, AKo, maybe but prob not AQo} so only VPIPing like 3-4% in this spot but I'm pretty sure that's OK because it's not like you have to vigorously defend your SB in this spot
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Old 11-28-2018, 11:01 AM   #686
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just played a very soft live $250. 16 of 302 left, I've got an average stack. Table is all around average, playing fairly nitty. Blinds just jumped up quite a bit - 8-handed we have 925k at blinds of 40k/80k with a 10k ante and are dealt 44 UTG. Thought this was a trivial shove but couldn't get an ICM calculator to confirm. Thanks
Very borderline. Likely 66+, possibly 55+, doubtful 44+
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Old 11-28-2018, 10:33 PM   #687
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Re: Official MSMTT quick checkup thread

thanks
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Old 11-29-2018, 01:07 AM   #688
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Pretty straightforward spot. Even if they both shove only 10% {ATs} has 27% equity 3-ways, but win OR lose it just always feels so fishy when we call it off w/ these kinds of hands. So a sanity check would be nice.

No ICM--we're still like 5 tables left
Seems fine. Obviously from a theoretical perspective it's good. Practically speaking I'll throw out that even clowns that play terrible 10-15 BB deep seem to recognize that it's time to go when they get down to 5-7 BB. So I'd call it off and not worry too much about it.
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Old 12-06-2018, 10:45 PM   #689
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Re: Official MSMTT quick checkup thread

Anyone taking this spot for 15bb effective (half our stack). Still ways away from real pay jumps ~50 players until that happens.

iPoker - 15,000/30,000 NL - Holdem - 9 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

MP: 643,492
MP+1: 474,759
MP+2: 154,366
CO: 303,269
Hero (BTN): 914,852
SB: 160,321
BB: 449,739
UTG: 290,695
UTG+1: 416,754

9 players post ante of 3,000, SB posts SB 15,000, BB posts BB 30,000

Pre Flop: (pot: 72,000) Hero has 4 4

fold, fold, fold, fold, fold, fold
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Old 12-07-2018, 11:30 AM   #690
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Seems like an easy shove?
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Old 12-07-2018, 11:34 AM   #691
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Yup jam this one.
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Old 12-22-2018, 07:43 PM   #692
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Re: Official MSMTT quick checkup thread

Have two sattie spots I question but not sure where to post, so here (no HH cause Global):

In sattie that pays 12 tickets to $55 MTT + 1 $30 prize. Entry was $5.50 1R1A; in for $10.50. Eez turbo.

So when I'm sitting at 3/16 left I have a little less than 12BB and get AQs utg, table is 8H. I don't have a lot of experience with satties, and with much consternation I elected to fold even with 12BB given my safeish top 3 spot, plus a couple close stacks on my left and a big one in the BB, and several pretty short to very short stacks in play elsewhere.

Fast forward though and after folding rags for 6 or so minutes (thought about open-shoving once with T4 from the cutoff into shorter stacks but passed since I could've been crippled by one) I have dwindled to 8/14 because huge blinds have gone up twice and there have been swongs of action elsewhere. Now I have just over 6BB at a 7H table. Shortest stack at other table has 3.5BB but all other shorter stacks are now within about 1BB - 0.5BB of my stack. Again utg, this time I pick up 66 and puke because every stack on the table can mortally wound me at best and I don't know what I'm supposed to do.

Obv both of these hands in a standard spot would be a shove given stack size, blinds, and turbo context, but I'm just not sure about near/on the bubble of a turbo sattie with the same absurd blinds, since we have to balance the whole "survival at all costs" thing with the fact that there is a big ****ing hole in the boat and we're all sinkin really, really fast.

What say youse?
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Old 03-31-2019, 09:16 AM   #693
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Playing 10 handed in a local $1100 ... top 6 paid. 4k 8k with BB posting 4k antes for the table.

@ 110k after posting in BB with A2s ... loose MP2 mins to 16k with 125k total. Folds to BB. Can we rejam? Av stack is ~ 180k with 2 people at 100k. MP2 is opening wide ... J9o 78s etc.
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Old 03-31-2019, 09:21 AM   #694
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@ 3k 6k with BB posting 3k ante in 6 max. 25 left 14 paid. Btn has 125k and 55 to UTG open to 14k. SB BB and UTG have 200k + . Av. stack is 110k

Folds to button. Talking with some people for 55 jam / fold / call? UTG open is on the tighter side of solid.

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Old 04-08-2019, 12:21 PM   #695
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Playing 10 handed in a local $1100 ... top 6 paid. 4k 8k with BB posting 4k antes for the table.

@ 110k after posting in BB with A2s ... loose MP2 mins to 16k with 125k total. Folds to BB. Can we rejam? Av stack is ~ 180k with 2 people at 100k. MP2 is opening wide ... J9o 78s etc.
Happily flatting here

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@ 3k 6k with BB posting 3k ante in 6 max. 25 left 14 paid. Btn has 125k and 55 to UTG open to 14k. SB BB and UTG have 200k + . Av. stack is 110k

Folds to button. Talking with some people for 55 jam / fold / call? UTG open is on the tighter side of solid.

Thxs
Fold. Calling is the worst option. Jamming is tempting but 55 isn't strong enough for me to want to rip 21bb over a solid player's UTG open with it--if he was in later position, things change considerably. Here, I think I'm shoving 77+ (off the top of my head with no calculations--but, feels correct)
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Old 04-16-2019, 03:12 PM   #696
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just played a very soft live $250. 16 of 302 left, I've got an average stack. Table is all around average, playing fairly nitty. Blinds just jumped up quite a bit - 8-handed we have 925k at blinds of 40k/80k with a 10k ante and are dealt 44 UTG. Thought this was a trivial shove but couldn't get an ICM calculator to confirm. Thanks
Are you ITM? If you're on the bubble I think you can fold...if you're ITM and no huge ladder to worry about I'm shoving this personally.
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