We are 12 left.
The other table are a bunch of shorter stacks
8-11 pays 109 dollars.
1-7 pays a 530 ticket


No Limit Hold'em Tournament T1 000/T2 000
Buy-in: $50+$5 USD Hold'em No Limit
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5 players
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Stacks:
UTG - UTG (T33 855)
CO - Hero (T36 309)
BTN - BTN (T50 331)
SB - SB (T39 981)
BB - BB (T49 340)

Preflop: (T4 250, 5 players) Hero is CO with Qh As
1 fold, Hero raises to T36 059 (all-in), 1 fold, SB raises to T39 731 (all-in), 1 fold, Uncalled bet of T3 672 returned to SB

Flop: Kd 2d 7s (T75 368, 2 players, 1 all-in - Hero: T0, SB: T3 672)

Turn: 9s (T75 368, 2 players, 1 all-in - Hero: T0, SB: T3 672)

River: 6d (T75 368, 2 players, 1 all-in - Hero: T0, SB: T3 672)

Total Pot: T75 368
SB shows Qs Qd (a pair of Queens)
Hero shows Qh As (high card Ace)

SB wins T75 368

Was this a punt?
Couldn't I just have raise folded. Man is he supposed to even call of QQ there on the money Bubble?

Sure looks like a punt to me. OOP with a trouble hand that you completely overplayed.

Villain has a premium hand, more chips than you and one player to act behind him.

Why were you playing 5 handed if 12 players were left?

Why cant you even read the ****ing OP.
How can I be OOP if I am All In Pre???
Gtfo here and bring me somebody that atleast reads the OP correctly.

Lol, 16x second to act preflop. If you didn't shove you would have been OOP the rest of 5he hand. You got called by a player with more chips and a better hand.

Don't really see your issue here: You pushed with worse from worse position with a smaller stack= See ya in the rail!

Still don't understand how you are 5 handed with 12 left in an on line tournament.

Dude, calm down. He misread the post. It happens. Still seems strange that you were 5 handed with 2 left.

As for the hand, I don't think I open shove here with 18 bbs. I think I call with QQ from SB, as your open shove pretty much eliminates AA/KK from your range.

its an interesting spot - I don't have an ICMizer subscription any more but on a very guesstimatey level I think ICM factor is prob about 1.5
( assuming a 5000 starting stack the face value of your stack is about $360 so say $300 given icm - winning the pot would give you close to a lock on a ticket so about $500 value - so risking 300 to win 200)

so I think we don't have to be quite as tight as people sometimes think; the main bubble is still some way off - my guess is the shove is +$EV - probably would be better to r/f but even r/c is not terrible if we think V is aggro enough

I'm not a satellite expert but if the other table is a bunch of shorter stacks you absolutely should not jam 18BB into covering stacks here. Fold is almost certainly better than jam TBH. You don't need to acquire a ton of chips, you just need to outlast the shorter stacks.

Whether fold is better than just minraising, I'm not sure. AQ is a good hand and does block a lot of calling hands, but the equity you're putting at risk means you literally never want to get called. I'm not sure what I would do, and it would definitely depend on just how short the stacks at the other table are.

Super interesting thought processes here!

Thank you very much, guys!

I'm a cash guy, and a tourney fish.

It's really interested in how you even take the guys from the other table into
your consideration.
I'm starting to like donkaments.

Yeah, to get away from further flaming op, you would really need to know the other stacks to determine if it was a punt because he was the second shortest stack at his table.

The fun thing about tournaments (besides winning) is that the situation constantly changes based on stack sizes (especially yours, obviously) and payouts. Satellites are the most extreme form of that because it literally does not matter how many chips you have at the end as long as you make it to the point where you win a seat. It's the most extreme form of tournament poker in that regard; there are points where you should fold AA to a shove because you're 95% to get a seat and even with aces you can still be 15-20% to bust out.

Seems like a really bad call with QQ. Depending on the stacks at the other table and the way the tables are playing, you could shove, miniraise, or fold. I would probably fold and shove later with weaker hands when the blinds are bigger and open weaker hands now from later position. Satellite play at this stage is totally different from regular tournament play, and the situation may be more important than the strength of your hand. Theoretically, they should fold just about everything to the shove.

At this point I don't typically shove in tournaments with 18 blinds unless I am SB. I do sometimes from the BTN with hands like 88-JJ/AT-AQ and occasionally AK against calling stations. The reason I don't shove is twofold. First it keeps our range more open as we would not likely be shoving with AA/KK. And second it allows us to get away from situations when there are 2 or more jams. And with hands worse than AQ even 1 jam is a fold.

But in a satellite where we are on the first bubble worth 12x buy in I would just min raise and fold to a jam. Especially if there are 5 smaller stacks than ours.

Seeing the stacks I'm guessing there aren't a crazy amount of shortstacks and its somewhere between 18-25b av. In theory I like shove more because it really sucks to raise fold this hand and you get reshoved on a lot. In practice I worry that people will call your shove too often all it takes is 1 too loose player and it becomes dicey. AQo should still be profitable almost no matter what in the shove node I can't picture the 109 bubble being that high risk premium comparatively to the 530 bubble where the risk premium will be to the sky and AQo could become a fold under the right circumstances. In practice I prefer raise fold because I don't think people find enough reshoves. If they're reshoving too tight then you're already gaining EV just by raising.

@Mr Rick
The first bubble is worth 2x the buyin, not 12x.

My bad. I must have misread the buyin...

At this point I just don't care anymore if I mincash for 2x the buy in. Still I would minraise here. I would guess Villain would jam the QQ and I would actually have a hard time folding because I'm only interested in the 10x cash.

But it would matter if the jammer could only have great hands. And villain here might have called not wanting to lose a big pot of and A or K was on the flop.