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09-04-2019 , 03:04 AM
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Originally Posted by rainbowsinthesky
seems thin actually

UTG should be shoving 40% but I find too many players are way tighter than this. imo correct exploit is to assume half that range (top 20%) if player has waited almost the full orbit to shove, and assume the full 40% range 22+ Ax+ K2s+ K7o+ Q3s+ Q9o+ etc if the player has been active and recently lost a chunk.

blinds will generally fall somewhere into the 99+AQ+ to JJ+AK camp for reshove.

play around with those ranges, but I suspect AT+ 77+ is closer to where you'd want to be
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10-17-2019 , 01:53 PM
Does anyone have good resources for playing from the big blind short stacked against a sb limp?

I recently busted a $240+100 bounty shoving 7.4bb with K6o over a sb limp (to win 3bb), and I realized that I have no idea what the correct play is in this spot. With the bounty, I figured the sb would be calling super wide and this would let me realize my equity. Maybe I should've just checked and taken a flop?
-We were in the money but not to significant pay jumps (if people are interested for ICM).
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10-19-2019 , 10:01 PM
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Originally Posted by TheToastrOven
Does anyone have good resources for playing from the big blind short stacked against a sb limp?

I recently busted a $240+100 bounty shoving 7.4bb with K6o over a sb limp (to win 3bb), and I realized that I have no idea what the correct play is in this spot. With the bounty, I figured the sb would be calling super wide and this would let me realize my equity. Maybe I should've just checked and taken a flop?
-We were in the money but not to significant pay jumps (if people are interested for ICM).
When you have 7.4 BB, we'd expect the SB to be mostly shoving. It's such a far-from-equilibrium spot that I imagine a dearth of resources specific to this spot.
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10-20-2019 , 09:01 PM
I had a similar one today where a seemingly fishy guy minraised my bb 10.5 BBs deep, I ripped it in with K9o and beat his 77. *¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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10-27-2019 , 12:10 PM
Does anyone have solid training for ranges. Ex: what type of range to defend from bb from say a cutoff/ button open when in a bb ante tournament?

2 hands I’ll post also.

350 mtt 100k gtn. I wanna say I’m 60bb deep. Ok tight mawg opens utg+2 to 2.5x(he had 40-50bbs I believe). I have 9-10o in bb and defend. Flop 9-10-k with 2 diamonds. Check check. Turn 10. I check, he bets 2.5k and I raise to 8k. River is 8d I believe and I lead full pot and he folds. Should we ever go like 1/2 pot or 2/3rd pot here or is sizing fine. I considered just jamming for like 1.5-2x pot but just felt pot was right. He folded so no idea what he had.

Ok hj who is solid tourny reg I have slight history playing with. Ok I’m 60bbs deep and he’s 80bb maybe. I have already 3bet him light with A5o and show 5 in similar situation after he folds. He opens to 2.5x on hj. I’m in bb with A6dd and 3bet to 8.5x. He 4bets to 20.5x and I just fold. Is this fine spot to 3bet fold or should we just peel. He’s a good mtt player so I thought we should 3bet fold but maybe not. Prolly a peel but idk.
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10-28-2019 , 04:21 PM
expanding on jkpoker's question:

18 left, 13 get paid. 3k/6k/6k blinds. UTG (150k) raises to 15k, MAWG (400k) calls in LMP. Folded to you in BB. what's your calling range?
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10-28-2019 , 06:05 PM
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Originally Posted by fonnino
expanding on jkpoker's question:

18 left, 13 get paid. 3k/6k/6k blinds. UTG (150k) raises to 15k, MAWG (400k) calls in LMP. Folded to you in BB. what's your calling range?
Foninno, what is your stack size? I’m probably calling semi wide here from the bb. I’m thinking suited connectors/one gappers/ broadway/ pps. It’s a little awkard bc utg is short. Prolly going to include hands like k7s and the better portion of suited hands. Could make a case for folding j4s etc. I’m not an mtt expert thought so interested in what others say.
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11-01-2019 , 05:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Jkpoker10
Foninno, what is your stack size? I’m probably calling semi wide here from the bb. I’m thinking suited connectors/one gappers/ broadway/ pps. It’s a little awkard bc utg is short. Prolly going to include hands like k7s and the better portion of suited hands. Could make a case for folding j4s etc. I’m not an mtt expert thought so interested in what others say.
My stack size was 280k. The MAWG was chipleader, and the UTG raiser hadn't raised pre-flop in 3 hours I'd played with him (small sample, but still). Against a looser opener and another caller, I'm calling any two suited, broadways below AK, one-gappers 97o above. I'm not sure about Ace-rag, due to RIO. I actually had A4o here and felt that I needed to call getting 5:1 but that I could easily be drawing to a wheel or trips.
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11-11-2019 , 01:57 AM
Two hands I would like to get checked up:


45BB midstages live $600, nowhere near money, KhKc EP, raise 3BB, SB call, BB call. BB has been very loose but running over table by making hands. BB covers hero.

Flop Qh 9s 2h (10BB)

Sb check, BB check, Hero bet 3.5 BB, SB fold, BB calls (maybe could have sized up but whatever)

Turn Qh 9s 2h 4h (17BB)

Hero ???

Is it more advisable to check back here for pot control, or bet to continue to get value? I feel like I can see strong arguments for both, still holding a very strong hand, many worse hands can call, lots of equity even if behind, but on the other hand...

As played Hero bets 10BB, Vililan x/r all in (covers). Hero ??? (28.5 BB to win 93BB)

Feels awful facing that check jam even with the K of hearts.

Ok second hand super simple. $260 live satellite, 28 people left, 14 get package.

Hero 25BB AJo in the BB, LJ raises 2.5x, Hero calls. Lojack is 70+ year old tourney reg who I think is overall a decent player, covers hero but not by a ton.

Flop K J 7 rainbow (6BB).
Hero check, LJ bets 4BB, hero calls.
Turn brick (14BB).
Hero checks, LJ bets 9BB. Hero folds.,

Since it's a satellite I felt ok doing it, but not sure. Just in terms of chip EV seems pio/snowie thinks I should keep calling but just doesn't feel good to call off half my stack OOP with mid pair and another street of action to face. Am I being too nitty in these spots?

Last edited by Manner Please; 11-11-2019 at 02:04 AM.
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12-19-2019 , 02:55 PM
Hand 2 looks fine.

Hand 1: Is villain loose-passive or loose-aggressive? Unfortunately, you block a lot of the combo draws (KhJx, KhTx) that he might semi-bluff with (if that's even something he's capable of..). With the turn heart, I'd view this as a 2-streets-of-value hand and would check back KK, heart or no heart.

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Originally Posted by Manner Please
Two hands I would like to get checked up:


45BB midstages live $600, nowhere near money, KhKc EP, raise 3BB, SB call, BB call. BB has been very loose but running over table by making hands. BB covers hero.

Flop Qh 9s 2h (10BB)

Sb check, BB check, Hero bet 3.5 BB, SB fold, BB calls (maybe could have sized up but whatever)

Turn Qh 9s 2h 4h (17BB)

Hero ???

Is it more advisable to check back here for pot control, or bet to continue to get value? I feel like I can see strong arguments for both, still holding a very strong hand, many worse hands can call, lots of equity even if behind, but on the other hand...

As played Hero bets 10BB, Vililan x/r all in (covers). Hero ??? (28.5 BB to win 93BB)

Feels awful facing that check jam even with the K of hearts.

Ok second hand super simple. $260 live satellite, 28 people left, 14 get package.

Hero 25BB AJo in the BB, LJ raises 2.5x, Hero calls. Lojack is 70+ year old tourney reg who I think is overall a decent player, covers hero but not by a ton.

Flop K J 7 rainbow (6BB).
Hero check, LJ bets 4BB, hero calls.
Turn brick (14BB).
Hero checks, LJ bets 9BB. Hero folds.,

Since it's a satellite I felt ok doing it, but not sure. Just in terms of chip EV seems pio/snowie thinks I should keep calling but just doesn't feel good to call off half my stack OOP with mid pair and another street of action to face. Am I being too nitty in these spots?
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02-10-2020 , 04:16 PM
Had a situation come up that I wanted to ask about.

I’m at the final table of an online tourney, 800 players, $50 buyin. There are 8 left and I’m in 7th.

I have A7o with 21bbs in the BB. HJ minraise opens, folds to me.

Is this a jam, or a call?

Edit: HJ is a good player, he’s 2nd in chips with like 70bbs
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02-19-2020 , 09:46 PM
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Originally Posted by auralex14
Had a situation come up that I wanted to ask about.

I’m at the final table of an online tourney, 800 players, $50 buyin. There are 8 left and I’m in 7th.

I have A7o with 21bbs in the BB. HJ minraise opens, folds to me.

Is this a jam, or a call?

Edit: HJ is a good player, he’s 2nd in chips with like 70bbs
Meh, this is a tough one kinda. Ok, did you have a hud and #s on Villian. If Villian was aggro, I say jam is solid. Even if you just see Villian is opening a lot, I would prolly jam. 70bbs and lp normally means Villian can open super wide and just find a lot of folds. I would be fine with just flatting and re eval flop if villian is a little more snug.

If the pay jump wasn’t a big move in your online roll, I feel jamming is fine and Villian is opening wide
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02-20-2020 , 05:20 AM
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Originally Posted by Jkpoker10
Meh, this is a tough one kinda. Ok, did you have a hud and #s on Villian. If Villian was aggro, I say jam is solid. Even if you just see Villian is opening a lot, I would prolly jam. 70bbs and lp normally means Villian can open super wide and just find a lot of folds. I would be fine with just flatting and re eval flop if villian is a little more snug.

If the pay jump wasn’t a big move in your online roll, I feel jamming is fine and Villian is opening wide
Thanks for the reply. I don’t play with a HUD (dumb but I’m lazy). From what I remember he’s been a bit active but I don’t have a huge sample so it could be that he’s catching cards. I don’t think the pay jumps were significant enough for me to care.

Funny spot that was more complicated to me than first glance
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03-20-2020 , 07:52 AM
Stacks:
UTG (31.36BB) 31bb
UTG+1 (44.13BB) 44bb
MP1 (27.41BB) 27bb
MP2 (12.72BB) 13bb
MP3 Hero (22.48BB) 22bb
CO (53.69BB) 54bb
BTN (58.63BB) 59bb
SB (79.9BB) 80bb
BB (30.17BB) 30bb

Blinds: 0.5BB/1BB Ante 0.13BB

Pre-Flop: (2.63BB, 9 players) Hero is MP3 A Q
4 folds, Hero 22BB

Quick question: FT-spot, everybody behind me is very active/aggro. Are we always just shoving?
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03-20-2020 , 09:41 PM
I’d rather raise/call it off over open jamming. Especially given your description of the players left to act. Even if they weren’t aggro/active I’d still prefer a raise with the intention of calling it off. You really want someone to shove a A7-A10, K10-KQ type hand that probably folds to an open jam
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03-23-2020 , 05:44 PM
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Originally Posted by WashUrHandsPlz
teh bigger $55
Villain is random.
I was moved or he was moved 9 hands ago.

Thoughts on all streets are welcome.

PokerStars - $50+$5|150/300 Ante 40 NL - Holdem - 9 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

MP: 7,684.00
MP+1: 1,685.00
LP: 4,905.00
Hero (CO): 17,321.00
BTN: 17,582.00
SB: 7,420.00
BB: 7,976.00
UTG: 5,701.00
UTG+1: 11,693.00

MP posts ante 40.00, MP+1 posts ante 40.00, LP posts ante 40.00, Hero posts ante 40.00, BTN posts ante 40.00, SB posts ante 40.00, BB posts ante 40.00, UTG posts ante 40.00, UTG+1 posts ante 40.00, SB posts SB 150.00, BB posts BB 300.00

Pre Flop: (810.00) Hero has Q A

fold, fold, fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to 611.00, BTN raises to 1,399.00, fold, fold, Hero calls 788.00

Flop: (3608.00, 2 players) 4 T 3
Hero checks, BTN bets 1,450.00, Hero raises to 4,555.00, BTN calls 3,105.00

Turn: (12718.00, 2 players) 2
Hero bets 11,327.00 and is all-in
Besides 4bet pre I love the C/R on the flop, even though you're attempting to make V pay to see another card, I believe you'll only get called by Top pair or better. two options....Try to induce with a small bet on the turn or check raise jam to price your opp in. p.s That name is vital in these crucial times WASHURHANDS!! PLS
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04-09-2020 , 04:54 AM
Hand 1 seems neutral

Hand 2 is snap fold and lol at opponent holdings

Hand 3 to UTG raise is fold

icmizer the answer to these spots
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04-09-2020 , 06:22 PM
Yatahay Network - 5,000/10,000 NL - Holdem - 5 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BB: 14.83 BB
UTG: 17.28 BB
CO: 21.77 BB
Hero (BTN): 31.41 BB
SB: 36.62 BB

5 players post ante of 0.13 BB, SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 2.12 BB) Hero has A Q

fold, fold, Hero raises to 2 BB, SB raises to 36.5 BB and is all-in

Hello ..,

I know this is simple hand that is basicaly depends on specific opponent. I am wondering if you can assist me with telling your ranges for going allin like this player is doing I can easy figure out what to do if knowing V's range
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05-09-2020 , 08:55 PM
I have a quick question
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I play a 1k player MTT. My ITM chance with starting stack is 11%. Now I double up first hand. What is my ITM chance now?
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05-30-2020 , 10:26 AM
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thank you for your posts, completely forgot to reply to you both times, didn't play poker/check the thread in a while
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01-27-2021 , 11:33 PM
Hey all,

I'm just wondering what is a realistic live MTT cash rate for a solid tournament player that is an expected long run winner. There is a video on cardplayer where "protential" talks about cashing in 20% of his live mtts which at first I thought was unrealistic.

Is it possible to say cash in 15-20% of live tournies that say payout 10-12% if you have a big edge? For me, I probably play an ABI live of say $400 and think I'm +ev lately when I don't punt and make laydowns in obvious spots where live players have the goods. I think I'm a winning player (I could be wrong) live at that buyin level while online I would probably not be a winning player.

Like can we expect to cash at a higher clip than what they generally payout in live mtts 10-12% or is that an incorrect guess? I ask bc I'm currently at a live series and its really bonkers how bad some people are. I'm seeing people punt 100-200bb stacks in early stages of $400-600 mtts where they honestly shouldn't be unless in really gross cooler spots. for example, I saw a random rec guy punt a 30k stack in a $400 mtt at 100-100 with JQ vs a set in a spot nobody should ever go broke. Board may have been Q852 and guy stacks off.
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01-29-2021 , 03:45 PM
Hey all, quick hand on bubble of $400-80k I would like to ask about sizing / line thought during hand.

OK we are 8 handed, I have roughly 240k at 3/6k and ep to my right (I would say super aggro asian guy who is a very solid tourny player based on his hendon mob- over 1mill in cashes and a lot of results with deep runs). prior to this hand, villian showed a huge bluff on a QKxxx board where he had complete air and another player called him down with AQ and wins pot- asian guy bet huge amount on river and other guy tank called with winning hand.

Ok villian (azn guy) opens to 14k to my right from ep and I have KK. I 3bet to 40k which I wonder if this sizing is good? I would say yes as I'm not super deep and kinda want him to peel or someone else to spew. Ok folds to azn guy and he calls. Flop is 48J (rainbow) and he checks to me. I cbet 36k into 95k and he calls. Turn is a Q of spades so 2 spades out now and he checks. I check back to hope to induce on river. River is a 2 or atleast non scare card really (no flush). Villian leads out for 125k into 167k. I call and he shows 44 (mbn).

I guess my only question about the hand is with the 3bet sizing, do you like it? I feel in position we can go 2.5-3x here. Also is the line postflop ok? I feel betting turn could be fine also but I feel like checking turn on a potential scare card could lead to river induced bluff spew by villian.


As a side note, I ended up mincashing which was nice I guess but very dissapointing after taking a 26.5 bb stack to 40-45bb and then a chance here for a 70-80bb pot from above. Thankfully folded 10-10 on the bubble in a 3bet pot where a tight old guy opened and a dude to his right 3bet where he really shouldn't be 3b too light based on villian opening. I sigh folded the 10-10 and old guy had kk and 3bettor had 99 so I dodged an annoying bubble bust out there.
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02-04-2021 , 07:53 AM
I think a 3 bet of anything less than 3x in position is just giving the villain too good odds to call. He can profitably call with all of his aces vs this size, and some villains might interpret a smaller 3 bet size as weakness. If you think that the villain calls 3 bets too much, you can make it much larger to get more value. By 3 betting this small, you're also giving villains behind you a decent price to call you in position, and the last thing you want is to play a 3bet pot 3 ways out of position.

I think you have to bet the turn. The queen just hits his range so much, so you will get a lot of value here. In a 3 bet pot with a non scary board like this one, you should be aiming to get it all in by the river. Sure you will run into coolers by bottom pair calling your 3 bet light, but you'll get so much more value from worse hands this way.
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02-08-2021 , 08:06 PM
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Originally Posted by freemail88
I think a 3 bet of anything less than 3x in position is just giving the villain too good odds to call. He can profitably call with all of his aces vs this size, and some villains might interpret a smaller 3 bet size as weakness. If you think that the villain calls 3 bets too much, you can make it much larger to get more value. By 3 betting this small, you're also giving villains behind you a decent price to call you in position, and the last thing you want is to play a 3bet pot 3 ways out of position.

I think you have to bet the turn. The queen just hits his range so much, so you will get a lot of value here. In a 3 bet pot with a non scary board like this one, you should be aiming to get it all in by the river. Sure you will run into coolers by bottom pair calling your 3 bet light, but you'll get so much more value from worse hands this way.
I think pre bubble against a villian that has shown the ability to bluff, i think check turn is great here and saves stack. Not sure if there is a lot of Jx in villians 3bet call range also along with is 40k really not a good size? We are 40-45 bb deep which is pretty damn shallow if you ask me. Idk why we want to avoid people calling here and even peeling with an Ax. Sure they can peel but Ax can't just blast on Axx boards here when we have a range advantage being the 3bettor.

Also thoughts on villian line? I just dont understand how he doesnt raise flop bet as he has my stack if he does bc i have to call and then call turn and river which are easy to get stacks in with a set. I find it odd when someone with over 1 mill in cashes can't find a x-raise with a combo that should be raising flop here however the flop wasn't very drawy so its kinda hard to have some bluffs in a x-raise range so i might just be thinking poorly here. Pretty sure i would just x-raise flop to 85-90k and getting it in on turn+river and getting that punt from kk.
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