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02-26-2014 , 03:28 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by ham on rye
so different how?
bet-sizing and perception of people's ranges.
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03-02-2014 , 03:59 AM
Final table, eight players, of a private live $25 MTT, paying 5 positions. Tables have recently merged, so reads unavailable on the players in the blinds. Stack sizes (except hero's) approximate.

MP1 is a successful but relatively new player with good card sense and good reading skills, but without much theoretical learning. TAG. Tends not to open shove enough in the late stages.

CO is best player at the table, LAG, knows MP1 well and Hero somewhat.

Hero's table image is probably TAG, has shoved 4 times in last ~20 hands (thrice while 5-handed, once while 9-handed).

UTG 21bb
MP1 10bb
MP2 18bb
MP3 6bb
CO 26bb
BTN(Hero) 11.7bb
SB 8.5bb
BB 16bb

SB posts SB 0.5bb
BB posts BB 1bb

Preflop: Hero is dealt T, T
1 fold, MP1 raises to 2.5bb, 2 folds, CO raises to 7.5bb

Hero?
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03-05-2014 , 10:45 AM
Live $200+30 "turbo" MTT (20-minute levels). 300/1.5K/3K antes/blinds.

UTG (12K/4BB) shoves. He's erratic even when not super-short-stacked so could have virtually anything.

Folds to Hero (45K/15BB), who holds AQo in small blind.

Big blind (100K) is a 30-ish woman who is a local tournament regular. In the two orbits you've been at this table, she has shoved, re-shoved, or 3-bet 4 different times (in 17-18 hands). Yet, 3 of the 4 times she's shown solid hands (AQs squeeze/re-shove in big blind, 99 3-bet in small blind to my button steal which prompted me to fold A2o, KK shove). Two of those times she voluntarily showed as if to prove she's not playing loose.

Which option do you prefer?:

#1 - Shove
#2 - Flat and call if induce a shove from the big blind
#3 - Flat/fold(???)
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03-05-2014 , 06:59 PM
^^^
Shove
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03-05-2014 , 11:13 PM
Agreed.

Got an opinion on my hand in the preceeding post?
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03-10-2014 , 12:03 AM
Oaks Card Club, CA, $100+$25.

1000/2000/400. 90 Entrants, 28 remain, 13 paid. We are 9 handed

Folds to HJ, about 50, white, been fairly tight, raises to 4500 (out of ~25K stack). Folds to me. I am SB with ~20K with KQs (slightly below average stack size). BB has me covered with about 40K.

This is a shove right?
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03-11-2014 , 11:19 AM
I honestly don't mind folding here. You don't have a lot of fold equity as you only have 10BBs and you're pretty much never getting called by worse vs described villain IMO. If you had 15BBs, I think you could jam here, because he's more likely to let go of hands like 88-99, AT in that spot.

I'm probably shoving ingame though.
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03-11-2014 , 11:24 AM
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Originally Posted by DoTheMath
Final table, eight players, of a private live $25 MTT, paying 5 positions. Tables have recently merged, so reads unavailable on the players in the blinds. Stack sizes (except hero's) approximate.

MP1 is a successful but relatively new player with good card sense and good reading skills, but without much theoretical learning. TAG. Tends not to open shove enough in the late stages.

CO is best player at the table, LAG, knows MP1 well and Hero somewhat.

Hero's table image is probably TAG, has shoved 4 times in last ~20 hands (thrice while 5-handed, once while 9-handed).

UTG 21bb
MP1 10bb
MP2 18bb
MP3 6bb
CO 26bb
BTN(Hero) 11.7bb
SB 8.5bb
BB 16bb

SB posts SB 0.5bb
BB posts BB 1bb

Preflop: Hero is dealt T, T
1 fold, MP1 raises to 2.5bb, 2 folds, CO raises to 7.5bb

Hero?
I think this is a fold. CO has basically committed himself and can't really fold to any shoves behind. I think if he was only trying to exploit MP1, he would jam in this spot.
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03-12-2014 , 01:50 PM
Villain running 25/21 over a small sample, nobody has 3-bet him yet. I don't expect to have much fold equity with only 8BB, but I think I am doing well enough against his range with the dead money to justify a shove. Am I right, or is it too dangerous with 3 players still to act?

    Merge, $500 Buy-in (1,000/2,000 blinds, 200 ante) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 8 Players
    Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #24790911

    MP3: 12,422 (6.2 bb)
    Hero (CO): 16,646 (8.3 bb)
    BTN: 47,745 (23.9 bb)
    SB: 49,843 (24.9 bb)
    BB: 32,826 (16.4 bb)
    UTG+2: 10,485 (5.2 bb)
    MP1: 11,930 (6 bb)
    MP2: 55,103 (27.6 bb)

    Preflop: Hero is CO with 5 5
    2 folds, MP2 raises to 4,000, MP3 folds, Hero raises to 16,446 and is all-in

    Spoiler:
    Results: 40,492 pot
    BTN folds, SB calls 15,446, 2 folds

    Flop: (40,492) K J 3 (2 players, 1 is all-in)
    Turn: (40,492) K (2 players, 1 is all-in)
    River: (40,492) J (2 players, 1 is all-in)
    Final Board: K J 3 K J
    Hero showed 5 5 and lost (-16,646 net)
    SB showed 6 6 and won 40,492 (23,846 net)



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    03-12-2014 , 02:04 PM
    I've always thought that if it was unexploitable to shove 55 from CO here unopened to, which it clearly would be, then our only consideration should be the original raiser. Not sure if that's the right way to look at it.

    I think this is close. I would def shove here if raise was from HJ. His range though should be on tight side opening into a 6BB and 8BB stack if he's capable which is why I think this is close.
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    03-12-2014 , 02:37 PM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Heartland
    I've always thought that if it was unexploitable to shove 55 from CO here unopened to, which it clearly would be, then our only consideration should be the original raiser. Not sure if that's the right way to look at it.

    I think this is close. I would def shove here if raise was from HJ. His range though should be on tight side opening into a 6BB and 8BB stack if he's capable which is why I think this is close.
    I think that logic will lead you to shove too loose, since you have to consider their combined ranges, not separately. Yeah, maybe it is closer than I originally thought, but I don't think this villain is a particularly competent player so he might not be thinking on your level.
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    03-12-2014 , 03:04 PM
    Is this the Merge $530?
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    03-12-2014 , 03:12 PM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by rkv
    I think that logic will lead you to shove too loose, since you have to consider their combined ranges, not separately.
    Yeah, this is right--not sure how big a difference it makes though. If it was profitable reshove against OR (under assumption everyone folds), and profitable when unopened to, I can't imagine there would be too many instances where it's unprofitable to jam...
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    03-13-2014 , 03:59 PM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Heartland
    Is this the Merge $530?
    No, the converter always messes up the buying for me, it's actually 33$. I don't play nearly that high
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    03-17-2014 , 03:59 AM
    I'm a little unsure on how to play this hand. I considered just check-shoving the flop as I don't really know what villain's UTG limping range is. In the end, I decided to call one bullet/give up. Is that standard?

      Merge, (200/400 blinds, 40 ante) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 9 Players
      Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #24930901

      MP3: 17,600 (44 bb)
      CO: 6,238 (15.6 bb)
      BTN: 3,633 (9.1 bb)
      SB: 4,058 (10.1 bb)
      Hero (BB): 4,015 (10 bb)
      UTG+1: 5,000 (12.5 bb)
      UTG+2: 5,750 (14.4 bb)
      MP1: 13,412 (33.5 bb)
      MP2: 4,100 (10.3 bb)

      Preflop: Hero is BB with K 5
      UTG+1 calls 400, 7 folds, Hero checks

      Flop: (1,360) A K 3 (2 players)
      Hero checks, UTG+1 bets 906, Hero calls 906

      Turn: (3,172) 4 (2 players)
      Hero checks, UTG+1 bets 3,654 and is all-in, Hero folds

      Spoiler:
      Results: 3,172 pot
      Final Board: A K 3 4
      Hero mucked K 5 and lost (-1,346 net)
      UTG+1 mucked and won 3,172 (1,826 net)



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      03-17-2014 , 05:07 AM
      either call now or fold flop, this seems spewy as you have already 1/3 of your stack in the pot
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      03-26-2014 , 05:42 PM
      Quote:
      Originally Posted by mashxx
      fold flop
      This.
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      03-30-2014 , 03:42 PM
      10r on stars.fr, ~35k€ prizepool. AVG stack was ~200k. Villain is some random french donk. He's playing on a mobile device. No other reads. Am I a huge nit folding this OTF or to a possible ship OTT?





        Poker Stars, $9 Buy-in (3,000/6,000 blinds, 600 ante) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 9 Players
        Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #25394751

        MP2: 225,324 (37.6 bb)
        MP3: 261,494 (43.6 bb)
        CO: 347,806 (58 bb)
        Hero (BTN): 405,921 (67.7 bb)
        SB: 175,719 (29.3 bb)
        BB: 84,932 (14.2 bb)
        UTG+1: 156,776 (26.1 bb)
        UTG+2: 381,264 (63.5 bb)
        MP1: 118,016 (19.7 bb)

        Preflop: Hero is BTN with A Q
        4 folds, MP3 raises to 12,780, CO calls 12,780, Hero raises to 34,212, 3 folds, CO calls 21,432

        Flop: (95,604) 4 T A (2 players)
        CO checks, Hero bets 37,121, CO raises to 86,242




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        04-04-2014 , 10:46 AM
        Quote:
        Originally Posted by gaiggibeliin
        10r on stars.fr, ~35k€ prizepool. AVG stack was ~200k. Villain is some random french donk. He's playing on a mobile device. No other reads. Am I a huge nit folding this OTF or to a possible ship OTT?





          Poker Stars, $9 Buy-in (3,000/6,000 blinds, 600 ante) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 9 Players
          Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #25394751

          MP2: 225,324 (37.6 bb)
          MP3: 261,494 (43.6 bb)
          CO: 347,806 (58 bb)
          Hero (BTN): 405,921 (67.7 bb)
          SB: 175,719 (29.3 bb)
          BB: 84,932 (14.2 bb)
          UTG+1: 156,776 (26.1 bb)
          UTG+2: 381,264 (63.5 bb)
          MP1: 118,016 (19.7 bb)

          Preflop: Hero is BTN with A Q
          4 folds, MP3 raises to 12,780, CO calls 12,780, Hero raises to 34,212, 3 folds, CO calls 21,432

          Flop: (95,604) 4 T A (2 players)
          CO checks, Hero bets 37,121, CO raises to 86,242




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          I think folding is really bad. Oppo is raising her for value just with 6 combos of sets and 6 of AT, all hands he could flat pre and then flat ur squeeze with (because he is a donk). I would call the flop and the turn push. Often he is only c/calling with sets and 2p on the flop and I see a lot of air in his range.
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          04-04-2014 , 10:48 AM
          Quote:
          Originally Posted by rkv
          I'm a little unsure on how to play this hand. I considered just check-shoving the flop as I don't really know what villain's UTG limping range is. In the end, I decided to call one bullet/give up. Is that standard?

            Merge, (200/400 blinds, 40 ante) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 9 Players
            Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #24930901

            MP3: 17,600 (44 bb)
            CO: 6,238 (15.6 bb)
            BTN: 3,633 (9.1 bb)
            SB: 4,058 (10.1 bb)
            Hero (BB): 4,015 (10 bb)
            UTG+1: 5,000 (12.5 bb)
            UTG+2: 5,750 (14.4 bb)
            MP1: 13,412 (33.5 bb)
            MP2: 4,100 (10.3 bb)

            Preflop: Hero is BB with K 5
            UTG+1 calls 400, 7 folds, Hero checks

            Flop: (1,360) A K 3 (2 players)
            Hero checks, UTG+1 bets 906, Hero calls 906

            Turn: (3,172) 4 (2 players)
            Hero checks, UTG+1 bets 3,654 and is all-in, Hero folds

            Spoiler:
            Results: 3,172 pot
            Final Board: A K 3 4
            Hero mucked K 5 and lost (-1,346 net)
            UTG+1 mucked and won 3,172 (1,826 net)



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            Fold on the flop
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            04-04-2014 , 06:14 PM
            69 guys left ITM in the Big 22
            Standard shove or way to loose from EP? What shoving range do we have here from EP with a TAG image? (had a nitty image)





              Poker Stars, $20 Buy-in (3,200/6,400 blinds, 800 ante) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 9 Players
              Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #25544001

              BTN: 276,252 (43.2 bb)
              SB: 204,653 (32 bb)
              BB: 155,326 (24.3 bb)
              UTG+1: 245,714 (38.4 bb)
              Hero (UTG+2): 61,759 (9.6 bb)
              MP1: 128,797 (20.1 bb)
              MP2: 190,923 (29.8 bb)
              MP3: 246,448 (38.5 bb)
              CO: 180,880 (28.3 bb)

              Preflop: Hero is UTG+2 with J Q
              6 folds, BTN raises to 12,800, SB folds, BB raises to 154,526 and is all-in, BTN folds




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              04-06-2014 , 09:24 AM
              I think with all the table yet to act it's a fold UTG+2 with aprox 10bb
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              04-09-2014 , 07:49 PM
                WPN, 100/200 blinds, 20 ante No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 6 Players
                Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #25711061

                MP: 4,980 (24.9 bb)
                Hero (CO): 15,876 (79.4 bb)
                BTN: 10,782 (53.9 bb)
                SB: 8,254 (41.3 bb)
                BB: 5,845 (29.2 bb)
                UTG: 18,280 (91.4 bb)

                Preflop: Hero is CO with 9 9
                UTG raises to 400, MP calls 400, Hero raises to 1,387, 3 folds, UTG calls 987, MP folds

                Flop: (3,594) 8 5 2 (2 players)
                UTG checks, Hero bets 1,872, UTG raises to 16,873 and is all-in

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                Seat 6: Player6 ( 18280 ) - VPIP: 44, PFR: 24, 3B: 9, AF: 1,1, Hands: 241
                Flop CR 0% (17)

                22$ FO tournament plays slow, pays close to 20%, and I was like 5th in chips

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                04-10-2014 , 07:17 AM
                I think it's a fold. His coldcalling range has 88 55 22 and OC+FD, so at best you're flipping. U have a deepstack and I think it's better to fold and save it.
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                04-22-2014 , 03:20 PM
                ^fold

                [converted_hand][hand_history]Poker Stars, $20 Buy-in (20/40 blinds) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 9 Players
                Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #26091291

                CO: 3,360 (84 bb)
                BTN: 2,640 (66 bb)
                SB: 5,850 (146.3 bb)
                Hero (BB): 2,753 (68.8 bb)
                UTG+1: 287 (7.2 bb)
                UTG+2: 2,750 (68.8 bb)
                MP1: 2,960 (74 bb)
                MP2: 7,735 (193.4 bb)
                MP3: 4,060 (101.5 bb)

                Preflop: Hero is BB with T K
                5 folds, CO raises to 80, 2 folds, Hero calls 40

                Flop: (180) K 3 J (2 players)
                Hero checks, CO bets 80, Hero calls 80

                Turn: (340) 5 (2 players)
                Hero ?

                what's our plan? c/x? lead?
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