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06-15-2019 , 06:01 PM
Mixed in a x/r on flop then it didn't feel like I get to do tons of betting on the turn. Then I distastefully forfeited equity. Correct me.

$16.50. Villain a Brazilian stable type.

PokerStars - 25/50 Ante 6 NL (8 max) - Holdem - 8 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

MP+1: 49.82 BB (VPIP: 77.78, PFR: 44.44, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 9)
CO: 62.38 BB (VPIP: 33.33, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 9)
BTN: 50.96 BB (VPIP: 16.11, PFR: 9.54, 3Bet Preflop: 0.79, Hands: 331)
Hero (SB): 57.6 BB
BB: 56 BB (VPIP: 25.93, PFR: 18.52, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 54)
UTG: 58.1 BB (VPIP: 14.90, PFR: 11.78, 3Bet Preflop: 5.66, Hands: 309)
UTG+1: 63.84 BB (VPIP: 33.33, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 3)
MP: 82.56 BB (VPIP: 62.50, PFR: 37.50, 3Bet Preflop: 33.33, Hands: 8)

8 players post ante of 0.12 BB, Hero posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 2.46 BB) Hero has 9 Q

fold, fold, fold, fold, fold, fold, Hero calls 0.5 BB, BB checks

Flop: (2.96 BB, 2 players) 3 6 7
Hero checks, BB bets 1.48 BB, Hero raises to 5 BB, BB calls 3.52 BB

Turn: (12.96 BB, 2 players) 8
Hero checks, BB bets 6.48 BB, Hero raises to 19 BB, BB raises to 49.88 BB and is all-in, fold

BB wins 50.96 BB
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06-15-2019 , 07:04 PM
ru playing a limping, or mixed strat from SB w 50bbs and antes?
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06-16-2019 , 01:41 AM
Pure limp v this profile (perceived to be unlikely to overfold/under-raise)
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06-16-2019 , 02:25 AM
+1 for the post title

forced me to click, surprised that title alone hasn't gotten this more traction

I'm not sure why you're playing this way, but if I'm going to start making moves in a battle of the blinds, I'm going to be raising Q9s there a good % of the time. the way it reads to me is he has 2 pair

I would just check call there, you're likely ahead and only getting something you'd beat anyway in showdown to fold
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06-16-2019 , 03:11 AM
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Originally Posted by bearer
Pure limp v this profile (perceived to be unlikely to overfold/under-raise)
Ok thx...not quite as bad then but still dont like it. You have hands like 33 and 66 to play like this. 2 overs + good backdoors plays much better as a lead, or c/c. As played you got a decent barrel card ott, so just continue betting.

I don't think you get to be this aggro when villain has 12 combos of 54o. Double c/r works much better when ur putting in the last bet, with hands that have > equity...94cc; T5cc, etc.
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06-16-2019 , 09:01 AM
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Originally Posted by erc007
Ok thx...not quite as bad then but still dont like it. You have hands like 33 and 66 to play like this. 2 overs + good backdoors plays much better as a lead, or c/c. As played you got a decent barrel card ott, so just continue betting.

I don't think you get to be this aggro when villain has 12 combos of 54o. Double c/r works much better when ur putting in the last bet, with hands that have > equity...94cc; T5cc, etc.
+1
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06-16-2019 , 01:30 PM
im never playing like that.

betting Q9 pre.
betting flop folding depending on raise size if raised.
if called barreling the turn.

as played barreling the turn and check/fold flop.

Last edited by R3M0T3; 06-16-2019 at 01:37 PM.
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06-16-2019 , 03:08 PM
Pre just fine. It should be a mix.

Flop is about as range neutral as it gets, with two very wide ranges this implies hero should be leading flop frequently with a menagerie of 7x and better, 5x, 4x, 3x, balanced with air.

This is a particularly good combo to lead because it's decently high equity (2 overs, BDFD) and benefits more from being bet than, say, A-high or even K-high (which are checks) since Q-high benefits more when V folds his own K-high, etc--so Q9s is a better lead than A8s, or KQs, for example.

So I prefer leading for pot and folding to a raise.

Check is OK as a very low frequency play.

Good sizing by V.

Pure call the bet and see the turn. Your range is obviously wide enough to start splitting off x/r value and bluffs but this is more appropriate for your most vulnerable made hands and hands with more direct outs like 5x, 4x. This hand is just too weak to justifiably x/r without explicit reads that V overfolds a lot--he never folds a gutshot, right?

AP bet something really small OTT.
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06-16-2019 , 05:55 PM
Not sure I like it. BvB you generally want to get you opponent off of air. When you check, he often will bet with whatever, so the c/r line may be good. Once he calls the c/r, then probably barrel or give up. Once he bets after being c/red, he probably has something that it will be hard to get him to fold.
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06-17-2019 , 03:37 AM
Don't like playing big pots when its hard to put your opponent on a range, his range is so wide here, so I don't thinks its worth getting all aggressive.

I think your bluff needs to have better equity and block the value range of your opponent. All your doing here is getting to fold his air (the expensive, risky way), its unlikely he would have hands that interact with your bluff.

I think its best to lead this flop he may fold ace/king/queens highs (air). Then if he does raise you can fold or if he calls and you turn some more equity then bet again.
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06-17-2019 , 08:11 AM
Thanks guys. Definitely some mass table clicking going on. Will get back to a comfortable count.
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06-17-2019 , 01:25 PM
You indicate villain is a Brazilian stable type. I assume this means a very agro lowish stakes reg in a staking and coaching program. Not the easiest opponent BvB, as he is likely to be looking to make plays on any flop.
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