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Mini sunday Million  - decision on the bubble Mini sunday Million  - decision on the bubble

08-20-2018 , 04:08 PM
1952 places paid, we are on 1500th or something, ~100 left until the money - it might seem to be a lot, but it's 10K entrances tournament and players finish it super fast at this stage, like 0.5 players per sec.

PokerStars - 1000/2000 Ante 200 NL - Holdem - 9 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

MP+2: 24.55 BB (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 5)
Hero (CO): 17.01 BB
BTN: 42.61 BB (VPIP: 25.42, PFR: 14.04, 3Bet Preflop: 5.26, Hands: 61)
SB: 53.09 BB (VPIP: 12.50, PFR: 12.50, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 16)
BB: 6.51 BB (VPIP: 22.95, PFR: 18.33, 3Bet Preflop: 15.00, Hands: 61)
UTG: 21.6 BB (VPIP: 9.84, PFR: 9.84, 3Bet Preflop: 12.50, Hands: 61)
UTG+1: 12.59 BB (VPIP: 19.44, PFR: 18.18, 3Bet Preflop: 8.33, Hands: 36)
MP: 29.74 BB (VPIP: 17.24, PFR: 10.71, 3Bet Preflop: 18.18, Hands: 29)
MP+1: 5.14 BB (VPIP: 14.75, PFR: 10.17, 3Bet Preflop: 9.52, Hands: 61)

9 players post ante of 0.1 BB, SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 2.4 BB) Hero has A 5

fold, fold, fold, MP+1 raises to 5 BB, fold, fold, fold, fold, fold

MP+1 wins 3.4 BB

HRC says that shoving is weak +EV decision. I think normally I would snap reshove this because in tournaments like this people tend to be looser than HRC..

But it's the bubble! Would you reshove this?
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08-20-2018 , 04:40 PM
Against such a large open, I would fold. Players who open large tend to open tighter and tend to call jams more frequently. Against a standard open, I'd rejam.
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08-21-2018 , 02:28 AM
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Originally Posted by poloplaya1414
Against such a large open, I would fold. Players who open large tend to open tighter and tend to call jams more frequently. Against a standard open, I'd rejam.
But it was AI - MP+1: 5.14 BB
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08-21-2018 , 02:39 AM
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Originally Posted by poloplaya1414
Against such a large open, I would fold. Players who open large tend to open tighter and tend to call jams more frequently. Against a standard open, I'd rejam.
I think you're missing that the guy has 5.1bb and opened to 5, I think its +cEV to call here so we go for it.
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08-21-2018 , 05:14 AM
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Originally Posted by JSkelts
I think you're missing that the guy has 5.1bb and opened to 5, I think its +cEV to call here so we go for it.
imho it is indeed a + Chip EV jam vs a 5bb quasi jam (A5ss is doing very well vs V 5bb late pos ai range), but ICM wise, if your goal is to secure an itm, just take your time and fold (if you think that 100 players are gonna bust in a fast pace fashion)
In a vacuum, i d reshove
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08-21-2018 , 05:28 AM
With bubble considerations I like your play.

I think the more interesting question is - what do you do if folded to you? Open jam, open raise and who do we call or fold a 3-bet against?
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08-21-2018 , 06:29 AM
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Originally Posted by JoeDiego
With bubble considerations I like your play.

I think the more interesting question is - what do you do if folded to you? Open jam, open raise and who do we call or fold a 3-bet against?
That's a good one. I would probably open 2BB, fold to 3-bet from BTN/SB but if they fold and BB shoves, I would call him.
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08-21-2018 , 06:44 AM
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Originally Posted by cizixap
That's a good one. I would probably open 2BB, fold to 3-bet from BTN/SB but if they fold and BB shoves, I would call him.
That's the safer play, but it seems super exploitable and a slam-dunk 3-bet spot for the Button or SB, which is why it might be better to do the unexploitable thing and jam.
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08-21-2018 , 09:35 AM
Oh I missed that it was basically a jam. Yeah, without fold equity, I think it's a clear fold for us even though it's probably +cEV
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08-21-2018 , 10:00 AM
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Originally Posted by cizixap
That's a good one. I would probably open 2BB, fold to 3-bet from BTN/SB but if they fold and BB shoves, I would call him.
Interesting, thought you only had a shove / fold strat off of sub 20 bbs :P

Joking aside, after a bit of thought I think I'm a fan of reshoving, particularly in this type of tournament with such a massive field. If you're going for min cashes in this type of tourney you're doomed. All the ROI comes from the DEEEEEP runs where you accumulate mountains of chips. You're clearly far in front of his shoving range. I think in villain's mind it's too hard to nurse a 5bb stack to the money with 100 ppl left and facing the blinds in a few hands. Worst case scenario is you rejam and one of the big boys to your left picks up a hand, but this is an infrequent scenario. If you reshove, pick up no callers, and lose then you're out of 5bb and you can easily nurse your 12 bb stack to the money (not much equity in having a nash jam range since moving into the money with 24 bbs isn't an amazing spot as it is). Just a different thought.
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08-21-2018 , 10:05 AM
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Originally Posted by underdeveloped
Interesting, thought you only had a shove / fold strat off of sub 20 bbs :P
huh?

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Originally Posted by underdeveloped
You're clearly far in front of his shoving range.
Computer says no. Reshoving is just +0.11 in chips if MP+1 shoves correctly.
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08-21-2018 , 11:20 AM
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Originally Posted by cizixap
huh?



Computer says no. Reshoving is just +0.11 in chips if MP+1 shoves correctly.
1) referencing our previous discussion where you essentially said you didn't have a raise / fold strat off of sub 20bb.

2) Agreed, definitely not as far of his range as I indicated, still ahead though.
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