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Live Borgata Hand, NFD with 2 overs. Live Borgata Hand, NFD with 2 overs.

12-19-2011 , 04:13 PM
I have been working on playing draws lately. I have typically been too passive with them basically going into c/c mode until I hit the draw to try not to be raised off. Of course, this is not often the best course of action. So I've been looking for good spots to semi-bluff my draws.

This question will be in 2 parts, the turn decision and the river decision. I will post up until the turn decision first then tomorrow, post the river decision. Thank you for any help and advice in advance.

Relevant players:

MP - the best description on this guy is internet kid. Wore a hoody, played about 30% of the pots, decently aggressive, and seemed to be playing good smart poker.

SB - This guy has been playing a conservative long ball big bet style. Open raising for 5BBs and post flop bets are about pot sized and has only played 2 hands so far in about 20.

Both players had me covered.

Hero (EP)(9k) - A J

Blinds 100/200

Preflop: (300) 1 fold, Hero raises to 300, 1 fold, MP calls, 4 folds, SB calls, 1 fold.

Flop (1,000) 8 6 4
SB checks, Hero bets 500, MP calls, SB calls.

Turn (2,500) K

SB checks, Hero ???

Is this a good spot to double barrel? And if I do, do i need to be prepared to fire a third bullet on the river. What if the MP calls and SB folds or vica versa?
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12-19-2011 , 04:15 PM
that raise isnt legal
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12-19-2011 , 05:25 PM
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Originally Posted by isuxatpokerbad
that raise isnt legal
My mistake. The level was 50/100.
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12-19-2011 , 05:41 PM
just bet like 1200
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12-19-2011 , 07:04 PM
K ott hits your range more than V`s ones.
KQss only could make a call otf.
2nd barrel of course.

It seems you bet and was raised ott.
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12-19-2011 , 07:05 PM
Yea ez turn bet
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12-20-2011 , 11:39 AM
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Originally Posted by jjpregler
Relevant players:

MP - the best description on this guy is internet kid. Wore a hoody, played about 30% of the pots, decently aggressive, and seemed to be playing good smart poker.

SB - This guy has been playing a conservative long ball big bet style. Open raising for 5BBs and post flop bets are about pot sized and has only played 2 hands so far in about 20.

Both players had me covered.

Hero (EP)(9k) - A J

Blinds 100/200

Preflop: (300) 1 fold, Hero raises to 300, 1 fold, MP calls, 4 folds, SB calls, 1 fold.

Flop (1,000) 8 6 4
SB checks, Hero bets 500, MP calls, SB calls.

Turn (2,500) K

SB checks, Hero Part 2 ~~~> checks, MP checks

River: (2,500) 2

SB checks, Hero ???
I checked the turn here figuring my odds weren't as good as they were on the flop, if someone raised me on the flop, I was pretty comfortable getting all in. If I am raised on the turn, I may be priced off my draw.

Plus the fact that both players called my c-bet concerned me a little. If the MP player called, I think I would have double barreled as I think he could call with air, but I'm pretty sure that the SB has something. Didn't really think through too much in the hand what portion of his "something" range he folds to two bets through. Just figured him with the overcall on the flop OOP that he had at least a pair at this point. I didn't put him on two pair or a set as I think he makes a big bet at the pot on the flop if he does. He has a pair or a legitimate draw.

On the river I hit my draw and now how do I get the most value here, without turning my hand face up?
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12-20-2011 , 12:42 PM
bet one orange, one blue, one black, one green....
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12-20-2011 , 01:01 PM
Bet turn and now there's more money in the pot
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12-21-2011 , 05:35 AM
The only issue in not betting the turn is that we can't stand a checkraise. Still, betting has several benefits. You can win it right there, even that you have only like 25-30% equity, since villains reference hands like JJ and T9 could easily fold. Also, in case you hit that sweet heart, you have built a pot and then they might call you down easier, since your betting says that you, in fact, were protecting your made hand versus a flush draw.
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12-21-2011 , 06:39 AM
Bet the turn for sure.
edit: Ks is a good card for us.
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12-21-2011 , 09:32 PM
1200 on turn. As played bet 2k on river and start playing with your chips/looking nervous.
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12-22-2011 , 02:50 AM
STACK SIZES???
btw i would bet bigger on flop ~700

and most likely bet on turn(depending how deep we r) too ~55% pot K is good card for our perceptive range
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12-22-2011 , 11:02 AM
Yeah, one weakness in my game is definitely not double barreling often enough. I don't do it enough heads up let alone multi-way. That was the main reason for this question is to see how many would fire away again. That's really something I need to learn.

Anyway, on the river I tried to make it look like a blocker bet to the MP player so I bet 1,000 trying to get him to bite with a raise. He folded and the SB tanked and called after about a minute and showed 99.
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12-22-2011 , 11:38 AM
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Originally Posted by jjpregler
Yeah, one weakness in my game is definitely not double barreling often enough. I don't do it enough heads up let alone multi-way. That was the main reason for this question is to see how many would fire away again. That's really something I need to learn.

Anyway, on the river I tried to make it look like a blocker bet to the MP player so I bet 1,000 trying to get him to bite with a raise. He folded and the SB tanked and called after about a minute and showed 99.
lol 1k is never a blocker size there as played
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12-22-2011 , 12:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Re8uZ
lol 1k is never a blocker size there as played
1/3 to just under 1/2 pot is blocker bet sizing.
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12-22-2011 , 03:58 PM
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Originally Posted by jjpregler
1/3 to just under 1/2 pot is blocker bet sizing.
lolololol

as played is obv that your bet is value/inducing bet

every descent villain has an easy fold on river (one might call for info only to see if his read is ok)
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12-22-2011 , 04:04 PM
turn 1350 bomb river
as played river 2100
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12-22-2011 , 04:32 PM
This is the easiest triple barrel spot ever
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12-22-2011 , 06:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Eagles
This is the easiest triple barrel spot ever
This, regardless if the river helps you or not.
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12-23-2011 , 03:05 AM
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Originally Posted by Eagles
This is the easiest triple barrel spot ever
+1

That's also why I'd bet like 800 on flop and 1900 on turn with this action, so I could shove river for close enough to pot instead of making it such an overbet.
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12-24-2011 , 01:33 AM
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Originally Posted by Eagles
This is the easiest triple barrel spot ever
Ok, but why? Please bear with me not knowing, but I was playing way too tight until the fall and am still learning some more aggressive lines.
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12-24-2011 , 05:45 AM
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Originally Posted by jjpregler
Ok, but why? Please bear with me not knowing, but I was playing way too tight until the fall and am still learning some more aggressive lines.
-u open utg so ur perceptive range is something like ~KQ,KQs,KJs,QJs,76s,78s,98s,t9s,jts 22+, AT/ATs+
villains calling range is ?? (define it your self for exercise #1)
Spoiler:
SC, 22-jj, 2 face cards, suited aces


u cbet into 2 players so your range is something like KQhh/KJhh/QJhh/AThh+ /76hh/44+ so u r Cbeting for value and with semiblufs (to build pot for value) most of the time
villains calling range is ?? (define it your self for exercise#2)
Spoiler:
55,77,99-JJ,8xs, 87s,76s and some weaker flush/or str8 draws or flush/str8+ pair combo is very likely they dont have strong hand here cos they will raise on this drawy flop


turn is K that hits most of your Cbeting semi bluffing range so u got to barrel again for value/balance/semibluf/building pot
if u define villains range good previously you should realize that its hard for them to call u on that turn with hands that had you beat but have medium strength(99-JJ,98,76 etc) and they have one more street to face

river is trivial value bet with nuts and now when u had build pot on previous streets u can also on some river cards if dont hit
figure it out your self what cards are good to bet river as bluff
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