Early lvl 50/100
Starting stack 20k

Villain:UTG +1 raise 225
Folded to me
Hero: JT HJ 3bet 850
Villain calls

Flop 5 9 3

Villain check , hero bet 900, villain calls
Turn 7 hero with gunshot flush draw

Villain check, hero bet 2.2k, villains calls

River Q

Villain check, hero bet 3.5k slight half pot, villain calls show A5s

Would AA KK AQ value bet the river on this board?
Villain told me those ranges would check the river. What do you think

you can bet A9+ for value for that sizing vs him but you should rather size up in order to try make him fold a pair.

Bigger everywhere. Pre is just button clicking cause pretty hand.

Just a dumb call down by V on three barrels when he has a blocker to AK. You'll usually get away with this type of bluff. I wouldn't worry about it too much.

V said those ranges would check the river: make sure you get 3 streets of value out of him in the future if he's that sticky.

Bigger bet sizing on turn or river?
I figure if I bet bigger on river wouldn’t make sense so I bet small as a value bet

this

Don't like 3bet pre on flop.

As played, flop is ok, might even consider slightly smaller on that texture as it's unlikely villain should have connected, with idea of going somewhat bigger on turn.

As to whether A5 is a good call by villain on river, it's probably not, but I don't think it's that insane either. Hero is really only repping AA/KK/QQ for value, maybe occasionally a hand like TT-JJ, AhQh, A9s or 99. For that reason I like a bigger bet on river as we really shouldn't have that many value hands and want to have more hands we can bluff with. I can also see giving up river being fine as well as villain should have lots of 88+ that will call multiple streets.

I wouldn't 3 bet preflop here. When this deep, that is probably one of my favorite hands to call and play in position. Especially against an EP raise. What is your plan if UTG+1 4 bets to about 3k?

As played, it was a horrible call down by opponent. He should have folded by the turn with that hand.

I don't think the 3 barrel is horrible. Especially if you had a good read on his hand range that he held about what he held. But overall, this is a better board for his range than your range.

If V doesn't fold here with A5 then he's basically saying he's never folding any pair on a low board against a pre-flop 3 bettor, even if a Q hits on the river.

He's exploitable. Hero just has to hope to have a chance to exploit him.

If this was V calling down with 65s it would be a different situation: the flop hit his range, he has no blockers which makes AK more likely, he has a gutshot draw on the turn and he's basically OK calling down two streets and then makes a tough decision on a bad river.

In this case, though, I hate calling 3 barrels here when the only hand you beat is AK. If V were reviewing this hand as the hero I don't think he'd find a single person on this board who would support a call. I think that qualifies it as an awful call imo.

River
why wouldnt large bet make sense when all draws missed and Q otr hits our range?

I do think large bet makes sense if want to be polarized here and triple barrelling with JT is a pretty polarizing line.

Will argue that Q doesn't really change a lot though as we shouldn't normally have hands like QJ or KQ in our range and villain should almost never have those hands in his call down range, but if we're 3-betting JT from the HJ then I guess we probably do.

Do totally agree that having the A here makes this a much worse hero call.

We dont barrel AK; A4, A2 mostly only.
he blocks AA, occasional AxQh, A9s and doesnt block NFDs.
its an ok call.
T9, J9 would block our bluffs.

Its not the worst call in the world. On this run out there aren't too many hands you can represent as a triple barrel but probably enough. Would you triple barrel a nine there?

I wouldn't go for this move readless (which it seems you were, if you knew he didn't have a fold button you wouldn't try this). Don't try to bluff idiots

We can go smaller on flop, esp if we're planning on betting three streets (most pairs aren't folding for any sizing on flop and it makes our bluffs cheaper)

Just flat pre


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He’s definitely not an idiot but just over thinking player. I 3bet because I have tight image on the table and also he’s been opening a lot thru the first lvl.

I still dislike this 3 bet. In general, you should think of your hands in 3 categories in this situation:

1) Hands strong enough to 3 bet;
2) Hands with good calling equity; and
3) Folding hands.

This is not a category 1 hand. It is not strong enough to 3 bet. This is in fact a category 2 hand. You turned a great calling hand into a 3bet bluff essentially. The best hands to use for a 3 bet bluffs are in fact the best hands in category 3. This way you don't lose or risk any equity on your category 2 hands.

I don't mind the 3bet, flatting means three or four people in the pot.

Heads up IP with JTs sounds pretty good to me.

I can see merits for both flatting and 3 betting. I got in a sticky situation in the main event in Macau for not 3 betting JTs which got me knocked out on the bubble, so I may be more inclined to 3 bet this hand now, however, I still think flatting is ok. The hand plays well multiway and I believe has enough equity to go see a flop with. I would rather not be 4 bet out of this hand. JTo is an easy 3bet/fold, I just think JTs is strong enough to call with.

BTW: how many players were at the table?

I'm gonna touch where no one else has. This is a live tourney right? Are you sure you didn't give anything away? Shaking hands, eye movements, breathing patterns etc? If not, then IMO this guys either totally reckless or a genius. Lol. I'm folding to your turn bet here putting you on JJ-KK


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I would absolutely triple barrel a 9 there (and better obv) against this type of player, and it's always amazed me how many other people shake their head and say 'great river bet' when V sigh mucks. This is THE way to punish a station and get their chips before they hand them to someone else.

If you want the whole level, add some cheap advertising plays at low blind levels to create a bluffy image with stations at the table, then go for max value in a spot like this. You'll run into a slow played set on a dry flop sometimes, and it's obviously a b/f b/f b/f line, but grasp the nettle and punish his A5.

No that's cool and I'm hearing you, just asking the question. What about the 'population' how many would barrel a nine there?

If we 3 bet here, do we have any calling range? JTs flops about as well as any hand and we have pretty good position. Call seems fine.

This hand is a good example of why your PFR range needs to be well-balanced. There are too many sticky wannabe pros out there that still assume every raise is AK/AQ and they want to hero call you down to pat themselves on the back. Just catalog these guys when you see them and punish them for it when you get an opportunity to.

I was in a tournament last week where I value-towned a player after flopping a set of deuces in MP (they were on the button). Flop was Q52. Player called me down two streets and I overbet the river considerably and they did the whole "Looks like Ace-King, I call," verbal declaration, turned over QTs, and got really quiet after that.