musing on the recent Aussie Mils series

noticed a marked increase in you-young-uns three betting hands like 86s, 43s, 74s etc. always in position, usually against older players, who were perhaps incorrectly assumed to be nits.

seeing this in 6-max events and full ring alike, usually at 45BB or deeper, often readless from new players

as much as i love to 3! IP, i haven't extended my light range beyond J9s. should i now be extending that range to low suited one-gappers, and if so, against which opponents.

and how should us cool older players best adjust? i feel like spite 4 betting everything atm.

dont do what everyone else is doing if you want to win

heh, i agree

this is actually a serious post though, not a rant. i sense there's a shift to lighter 3! ranges in live series, and think it's an interesting topic of discussion. my knee-jerk reaction to adjust with 4! ranges rather than flats is genuine too. always been of the belief that a 2.5x 4! is a better defence to a suspected light 3! than flatting - but does that still apply when 3! ranges are dropping down to 43s...?

pretty sure people were 3betting 86s in '09.

I just never take people at face value unless it's utg v utg+1 or w/e. Just be more considered when giving them a range and widen your range for flatting 3bets oop.

I'd be less inclined to spite 4bet, but you should def chuck in heaps of cold 4's

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I feel like I see more Jxs+ lite 3b more than mid suited one gappers/low suited connectors. Lots of K4s or J8s kind of stuff. I've been tightening up my open range and def 4b with a bigger % of that range when oop to these guys. Flatting seems bad. I would think the wider we are getting 3b the more we should be 4bing. I'll open like 77+, ATs+, AJo+, KJs+, KQo and 4b TT+, AJs+, AQo+. I guess I'll flat like 77-99 but that's about it.

I'll probably get flamed for this, but 50bb+ I've been limp/calling hands like 22-66, A6s-A9s, JTo-KJo, JTs-QJs from mid position if I have a frequent 3better behind me IP. Playing a limped, mw pot with a relatively high SPR with these speculative hands has worked out well. There is just no reason to get into a preflop leveling war with these guys if we don't need to fight for blinds/antes yet, and I would rather play a single raised pot passively oop than a 3b pot oop.

hmmmm, yeah i think this has been passed over a little, tho appreciate the non . responses

86s has been an occasional 3! vv nits for years and this is nothing new. what i'm bravely and courageously proposing here, is that the frequency has markedly increased.

I think players in general don't 3-bet enough, especially against later position opens, so mixing in hands like 86s (especially deep stacked) doesn't seem bad at all.

They're either playing the playah or they saw Doug Polk do it and want to be more like him.

If you only 3 bet your premium cards you will get crushed as u move up in stakes

move up fron playing a $10,000 main event buyin to the high rollers $100,000 +?

Its just the concept of moving the bottom of your calling range into your 3bet bluffing range. Hands like J8s, 86s, etc. To adjust you need to call with a wider range/incorporate 4bet bluffs in spots where opponents are likely to be bluff heavy.

Also depending on stack sizes/positions you should just be 4bet ripping in pairs and hands like AJ.

What ratio of bluffs to value should our 3 bets be?

Say we are button vs MP in full ring, 50BB deep. Villain opens 2.5BB. Antes are in play. A book I read recently has 75% bluffs for this situation.

I tried to construct a range I was comfortable with and came up about 55% Value. Is that too nitty?

there are definitely some tough 10ks out there but if you mean the wsop main vs a 100k hr, the skill is absurdly higher.