Let's Take a Quiz! #1 (SRP, BB vs BTN, 30bb eff)
01-18-2022
, 11:37 PM
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Here’s the first of a few quiz spots where there’s likely be a wide variation in player responses and no necessarily correct answer.
Would be ideal if any responses could be hidden behind spoiler tags.
"Grunching" (posting a reply without having read any of the existing replies) is highly encouraged.
Purpose here is to gauge population tendencies in spots where decision ranges are likely to vary widely (or wildly) from one player to the next, and one opponent to the next.
General idea is to read quiz, post, then check back to see how others have responded.
Hope there’s some useful population info for everyone in this approach. Not looking for a PIO solve (pls don’t) but more an idea of how you’d react to these spots in game.
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Here are the starting ranges:
BTN (Open 2bb):
BB (Defend):
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1.
BTN Open2x-BB call
Flop 9s6s2s x-Cbet 1bb-call
Turn 9s6s2s5s x-Bet 1.5bb-call
River 9s6s2s5s4c x-Bet 26bb (All-in)-???
a. How often do we envision typical BB players having w/ defending their 2pr, straights, and weak flushes here? Do you think some players will NEVER call here with less than a flush of a certain rank? Would YOU catch with any of those, and with what frequency?
b. Without consulting any material, describe some general qualities you think that the BB's lightest snaps should possess? In other words, which part of his range should he prioritize for catching and why? Hint: Obviously, he needs to catch a lot of non-nutted flushes, all of which are only beating bluffs--which ones make the best catchers and why?
2.
BTN Open2x-BB call
Flop: JdTs6s x-Bet 5.5bb-call
Turn JdTs6s9c x-Bet 9bb-call
River JdTs6s9c8s x-Bet 13.5bb (All-in)-???
How often do you think we'll see people protection/value-ship a jack OTF via a xr? My thought is that too many people will just xc these vs the large cbet.
How often do you think we'll see people dump a jack OTT? My gut feeling is, they don't do it very often.
To make things potentially exploitatively worse for this hypothetical BB player--how often do people station down river w/ 2pr or even just AJ, KJ (assuming they even have these depending on how they are treated OTF or OTT)? I am envisioning that virtually all players will fold these too often if IP goes all-in, possibly always fold them, and in a live MTT probably flip over their cards and show as they fold. It's 4-to-a-straight and a flush got there--I feel like I've personally seen many times in similar spots a live player very quickly do that auto-muck show-and-fold w/ 2pr here. Clearly underestimating the SPR impacts on defense frequency and also overestimating the ratio of 7x+ to air w/ which IP can arrive at river.
Considering a strategy of never giving up any air OTR and just exploitatively always going for it when we have air, on the basis of the conclusion drawn from the above three paragraphs. We could see an average player having way too many xf in his range vs the triple if he doesn't xr flop enough, nor xf turn enough, nor xc river enough.
a. How often will you x-ship a jack OTF for value/protection? Would you vary frequency based on whether or not your Jx contains a spade, and if so how?
b. How often will you dump a jack OTT? Which ones in particular?
c. How often will you station down river ships with 2pr or Jx? Any particular Jx or 2pr combos you think make for particularly bad or for particularly compelling catchers?
Here’s the first of a few quiz spots where there’s likely be a wide variation in player responses and no necessarily correct answer.
Would be ideal if any responses could be hidden behind spoiler tags.
"Grunching" (posting a reply without having read any of the existing replies) is highly encouraged.
Purpose here is to gauge population tendencies in spots where decision ranges are likely to vary widely (or wildly) from one player to the next, and one opponent to the next.
General idea is to read quiz, post, then check back to see how others have responded.
Hope there’s some useful population info for everyone in this approach. Not looking for a PIO solve (pls don’t) but more an idea of how you’d react to these spots in game.
__________________________________________________ _____________
Here are the starting ranges:
BTN (Open 2bb):
BB (Defend):
________________________________________
1.
BTN Open2x-BB call
Flop 9s6s2s x-Cbet 1bb-call
Turn 9s6s2s5s x-Bet 1.5bb-call
River 9s6s2s5s4c x-Bet 26bb (All-in)-???
a. How often do we envision typical BB players having w/ defending their 2pr, straights, and weak flushes here? Do you think some players will NEVER call here with less than a flush of a certain rank? Would YOU catch with any of those, and with what frequency?
b. Without consulting any material, describe some general qualities you think that the BB's lightest snaps should possess? In other words, which part of his range should he prioritize for catching and why? Hint: Obviously, he needs to catch a lot of non-nutted flushes, all of which are only beating bluffs--which ones make the best catchers and why?
2.
BTN Open2x-BB call
Flop: JdTs6s x-Bet 5.5bb-call
Turn JdTs6s9c x-Bet 9bb-call
River JdTs6s9c8s x-Bet 13.5bb (All-in)-???
How often do you think we'll see people protection/value-ship a jack OTF via a xr? My thought is that too many people will just xc these vs the large cbet.
How often do you think we'll see people dump a jack OTT? My gut feeling is, they don't do it very often.
To make things potentially exploitatively worse for this hypothetical BB player--how often do people station down river w/ 2pr or even just AJ, KJ (assuming they even have these depending on how they are treated OTF or OTT)? I am envisioning that virtually all players will fold these too often if IP goes all-in, possibly always fold them, and in a live MTT probably flip over their cards and show as they fold. It's 4-to-a-straight and a flush got there--I feel like I've personally seen many times in similar spots a live player very quickly do that auto-muck show-and-fold w/ 2pr here. Clearly underestimating the SPR impacts on defense frequency and also overestimating the ratio of 7x+ to air w/ which IP can arrive at river.
Considering a strategy of never giving up any air OTR and just exploitatively always going for it when we have air, on the basis of the conclusion drawn from the above three paragraphs. We could see an average player having way too many xf in his range vs the triple if he doesn't xr flop enough, nor xf turn enough, nor xc river enough.
a. How often will you x-ship a jack OTF for value/protection? Would you vary frequency based on whether or not your Jx contains a spade, and if so how?
b. How often will you dump a jack OTT? Which ones in particular?
c. How often will you station down river ships with 2pr or Jx? Any particular Jx or 2pr combos you think make for particularly bad or for particularly compelling catchers?
Last edited by oldsilver; 01-20-2022 at 02:36 AM.
(followed by wildly animated scenes and cries of I knew you were bluffing...)