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KxT on 825K8xxx oop KxT on 825K8xxx oop

12-04-2018 , 10:52 AM
PokerStars - 700/1400 Ante 175 NL - Holdem - 9 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

UTG+1: 20.69 BB (VPIP: 22.86, PFR: 5.71, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 70)
Hero (MP): 25.36 BB
MP+1: 34.9 BB (VPIP: 12.84, PFR: 9.66, 3Bet Preflop: 4.62, Hands: 148)
MP+2: 23.68 BB (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 1)
CO: 66.7 BB (VPIP: 20.97, PFR: 16.95, 3Bet Preflop: 4.55, Hands: 62)
BTN: 45.45 BB (VPIP: 11.56, PFR: 8.84, 3Bet Preflop: 1.49, Hands: 148)
SB: 7 BB (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 13)
BB: 11.77 BB (VPIP: 24.64, PFR: 19.35, 3Bet Preflop: 11.11, Hands: 69)
UTG: 54.41 BB (VPIP: 24.14, PFR: 14.04, 3Bet Preflop: 8.00, Hands: 59)

9 players post ante of 0.13 BB, SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 2.62 BB) Hero has K T

fold, fold, Hero raises to 2.2 BB, fold, fold, CO calls 2.2 BB, fold, fold, fold

Flop: (7.02 BB, 2 players) 8 2 5
Hero bets 2.6 BB, CO calls 2.6 BB

Turn: (12.23 BB, 2 players) K
Hero bets 6.6 BB, CO calls 6.6 BB

River: (25.43 BB, 2 players) 8
Hero ???

V plays 21/17 call open 4/30
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12-04-2018 , 11:27 AM
Hero does not open KTo UTG+2.

As Played shoud have bet bigger turn (more toward 8-11BB).

As played, I guess check fold is the only play left. With this river villain will has 0 bluff and will not call weaker than K10o.
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12-05-2018 , 08:44 AM
Quote:
Hero does not open KTo UTG+2
This
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12-05-2018 , 02:41 PM
yeah awful open
sizings are kind of weird, I would cbet flop bigger, and barrel turn larger.
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12-05-2018 , 03:42 PM
KTo is close, I think fold or bet are ok but it is absolutely bottom of our range.

Bet sizings as played are fine tbh if our plan is to barrel three streets when we have it as we can set up reasonable turn bets and river jams. Also betting small allows me to bet most of my open range and should get most KJ/KQ and Ax w/o backdoors to fold which is generally a win. Bigger sizings create awkward SPR's on later streets unless we go really big (like closer to pot so we can jam turn) and in that case I'm not sure I'd have this hand in my c-betting range.

As played river is probably a check-fold. Villain probably won't have that much naked Ac or 76 here but can absolutely have all the nut flush draws plus 89/87/T8/A8 a decent amount. The Kc is a flush blocker but not super relevant. I do think we'll have to call with some Kx here though but I'd rather call with Kx that might beat some of villain's thinnest value bets.

Last edited by jpgiro; 12-05-2018 at 04:06 PM.
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12-05-2018 , 06:38 PM
Could you fine folks elaborate why you think bigger is better OTT? Are you trying to deny V bluffs (we do have a pretty good bluffcatcher so I doubt that's it)? You expect V to flat/float wide so we're going for fattish value (guess that'spossible bc we should be expected to barrel here a good chunk so it's nice to get paid when we have a hand). For protection (don't think that's too much of an issue when we block a club and the texture is paired w/ a two-gapper and a high card)

I'd have thought the opposite here-go smaller, like 1/3rd pot at the most. After all, if we're barreling wide we should tend towards smaller sizing with our range, and we block both made hands AND draws, and there aren't THAT many draws out there w/ the Kc accounted for.

I'd personally bet really small turn, like 2-3bb, and x river to x call a lot of bets, this river included. That 8c is a pretty good card for us since only (blocked) FDs get there and it's really hard (I admin not inconceivable though) for V to have an 8. I'd expect V raise now-discounted sets and 2pr eithr flop or turn, and float a ton vs our tiny turn line and be bluffing rivers a lot when we x, because we can rep x river to give up really well. We're way ahead of a floating range here.

What better hands besides some better Kx and AA do we go cbet-barrel-x with? Do we care if that's possibly exploitable?
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