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JJ in UTG, set on the flop JJ in UTG, set on the flop

04-17-2019 , 11:21 PM
1000 dollars tournament which High Roller in my country. I won a ticket for the tournament with only 15 dollars. (Obviously I had only one bullet). Tournament full of rich people and known "pros" (in my country)... Those people bragging they had money for 3-4 bullets if necessary and some of them playing pretty loose with a lot of bluffs. The tournament is of one day and deepstack but kind of "fast" levels (35 min) .

Last levels of the reentry period.
Blinds: 500/1K/1K BBante

Pot :2.5K

Hero stack: 160K
Hero UTG with JJ raise to 3K. UTG2 calls, BTN calls, BB calls.

Pot: 13.5K
Flop QJ4, two hearts. Hero bet 10K. UTG2 (stack 80K and one of the known "pros") calls, BTN fold, BB fold.


Pot: 33.5K

Turn: A (no heart).

Hero checks. Villian bet 14K. Hero calls.

River: 7(no heart).

Hero checks. Villian go all in.

Hero ????

Last edited by metalrenas; 04-17-2019 at 11:26 PM.
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04-18-2019 , 01:32 AM
- woudlnt think much about the big talk about multiple bullets and stuff, it might be true and they play in the direction of being spewy/splashy/bluffy or going crazy. could be.
- did you mention you came in from a $15 sattellite ticket? if so they might think you are scared money.
- u played your hand fast on the flop, then slowed down. kind of makes it look like QJ or KQ, or KK. so you seem sortof weak after your turncheck, which might induce some bluffs. since plenty of people could barrel turns here with JJ (or QQ/AQ/AA/KT).
- is your image tight? could you have KTs utg in their minds? and able to trap? if uve been playing too tight for that he can go for value easier with hands mentioned below. if you wouldnt trap on the FD board with KT, same thing applies i think.
- looks like you need like 33%(or 35% dunno) on the river. and you might be up against: 44/QQ/AA/AQ/AJ/KT. maybe some 8Thh or 9Ts. some more likely than others.
- by your description utg2 is loose and could have KTo it looks like.

15 combos you beat if we disregard QQ or AA, 16 at most you lose to IF hes got all the unsuited KT hands.

that alone would make it a call i think, since you got about 50% to beat that range. add some bluffs, maybe add a few QQ or AA. and i think you have quite the profitable call here.

levels are fast you said, at least for a live tourney, so cant be too picky about spots.

game theory wise doug polk would probably say: "we gotta call some hands, and this is one of the strongest hands we can have here."
maybe he wouldnt but you get the point.
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04-18-2019 , 02:14 AM
They didn't know I was a satellite winner.
My image I believe was kind of tight-passive... In around 3 hours I opened 4 times from UTG, three of them get a 3bet from the same guy (that wasn't in the hand described) and fold... the fourth one I had QQ and make a 4-bet and that guy folded.. The other 3 times I had AJ... Definetely I had a tight image.. Maybe scared.. Last hand I get involved I had AK from an early position, raised preflop, made C-bet in missed flop, check-fold turn... but I had not showed any of those hands...

Spoiler:


I made the call. Villian had KT.

Indeed he is LAG and was why I made the call. Right after the call I felt I had made the right decision, but after time passed I began to think differently... QQ and AA would 3-bet preflop... hands with value like 44, AQ and AJ would had checked back (why turn that hands into bluffs?) Only missed draws will make the bluff and KT the value bet...but IMO from his point of view it seemed I had a pretty strong hand... Maybe a bluff was not worthy because possibly I was going to call...

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04-18-2019 , 05:33 AM
Bet Turn all day every day. He very rarely has KT here, alot of 2-p-combos, sometimes QQ butfor those times he has 44 as well.
You could maybe make a case for c/r Turn if he's notorioulsy stabby
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04-18-2019 , 10:37 AM
Please be more specific--what's the effective stack, not just your stack, and what is the exact configuration of the flop, not just "two hearts", these things really do matter and any answer you get that doesn't incorporate this information will be incomplete.
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04-18-2019 , 12:09 PM
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Originally Posted by EggsMcBluffin
Please be more specific--what's the effective stack, not just your stack, and what is the exact configuration of the flop, not just "two hearts", these things really do matter and any answer you get that doesn't incorporate this information will be incomplete.

I said the stack of the villian... it was around 80k ... BTN and BB had stacks around 100K, both.

Flop: QhJs4h
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04-18-2019 , 12:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Panny1
Bet Turn all day every day. He very rarely has KT here, alot of 2-p-combos, sometimes QQ butfor those times he has 44 as well.
You could maybe make a case for c/r Turn if he's notorioulsy stabby
I did not bet the turn because the A is a scare card... If he had Jx or Qx I think the Ace will make him fold... If he had two pair, he would call me a half pot river bet, and I didn't want that bet to be half of his stack... if the river was a heart I wanted to c/call a possible bluff from him and I wanted the pot not to be bigger in order to call that bluff
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04-20-2019 , 02:30 PM
With ~80bbs effective I wouldn't ever slow down ott since your objective (with an SPR OF 5.5 to 1 otf) should be to get all the money in vs. a pretty strong range that can call turn here almost always. While I will concede that the A makes it tougher to get value/3 streets from the bottom of utg2's range (KQs; QTs; KJs) it also improves a good part of his range to a 2nd best hand.

You're not gonna need to protect your bet-check range here ott b/c you wont be check-folding with KK and Axhh. You also wont be check-shoving these combos and utg2 shouldn't be betting at a high enuf frequency to trap.

As played easy call otr since a pro could slowplay 44 or QJ otf when an unknown utg opens to 3x then cbets 74% into 3 callers?
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04-20-2019 , 03:31 PM
On 2nd thought prob fold KK w a heart ott but you can tarp AA...
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04-21-2019 , 11:23 AM
Agree with others to continue on turn, and enough to give FDs a bad price.

As played I think this a pretty easy call on river tbh
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04-29-2019 , 08:34 PM
Calling, if i lose half my stake to k10, Aa, qq, oh well.
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