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08-28-2018 , 10:37 AM
So it's bubble ft with 3.8k first.

We're CL with 2nd biggest stack on our right and OR is 3rd stack.

I'm interested in approaches to this spot considering ICM. In normal cEV enviroment it's a slamdunk 3b/gii w TT AKo (99/AQs vs some villains). However I'm not sure how to approach this spot here as it seems pretty thin to be calling off a 4b jam with TT, maybe even with JJ considering that villain will most likely construct his range that way that he'll possibly jam only QQ+ AK with me being CL and him being 3rd stack and it's a FT bubble.

I'll probably YOLO little bit with 3bets here considering pure amount of pressure that I can put on ppl and I don't care a lot about balancing part as I'm looking to exploit people overfolding pre/postflop in this certain spot and if they counter me well ( which 98% never do ) so be it, but I'm somewhat insecure of should I flat JJ/TT here or should I 3bet call or should I 3bet fold them vs decent abc villain


    Poker Stars, $45 Buy-in (2,500/5,000 blinds, 625 ante) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 6 Players
    Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #37936273

    BTN: 173,717 (34.7 bb)
    SB: 265,253 (53.1 bb)
    Hero (BB): 274,561 (54.9 bb)
    UTG: 75,251 (15.1 bb)
    MP: 206,110 (41.2 bb)
    CO: 68,007 (13.6 bb)

    Preflop: Hero is BB with J J
    UTG folds, MP raises to 12,000, 3 folds, Hero ???




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    JJ on BB BubbleFT Afternoon on stars.es 50 Quote
    08-28-2018 , 02:49 PM
    Definitely like a 3 bet here so the question is do we 3-bet fold or 3-bet call. Think we need ~38-39% equity to call a 4 bet jam. So now the question becomes about range construction. Feels like JJ+ AK, but do we give him credit for a bluff? Hard to imagine him 4 bet ripping A5s to balance his shoving range especially in this ICM ****age spot. I feel like there is little balance in this spot from villains and vs JJ+ AK we have ~36.5% so I think I lean towards 3bet sigh folding. Feels weak, but meh I am weak.
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    08-28-2018 , 03:26 PM
    I would consider a 3-bet, with 30 runners left I would probably 3-bet every time. But with the bubble and having a big stack I think you might be better off flatting.

    Kinda on the fence about it, It`s a pretty strong hand for a 3-bet/fold, but I don't love playing for stacks preflop as I can't think of too many hands the Villain will 4-bet that we are ahead of, and I don't relish flipping for stacks or getting it in bad this close to the big money. Of course you have to consider that your 3-bet will win the pot right there a significant number of times, and Villain will flat your raise sometimes as well.

    Not sure I agree about the 38-39% equity being enough to call a 4-bet jam this close to the big prizes, since what that means in the real world is that you have an almost two-out-of-three chance of losing most of your big stack on the final table bubble, which would be ICM suicide and would also be a drag and make you feel bad.

    So flat, and don`t worry too much about it. You don`t need to do anything drastic or take any big chances right now, you`re doing just fine. Let the game come to you.

    Last edited by 2pairsof2s; 08-28-2018 at 03:55 PM. Reason: added an additional thought
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    08-29-2018 , 09:50 AM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by 2pairsof2s
    I would consider a 3-bet, with 30 runners left I would probably 3-bet every time. But with the bubble and having a big stack I think you might be better off flatting.

    Kinda on the fence about it, It`s a pretty strong hand for a 3-bet/fold, but I don't love playing for stacks preflop as I can't think of too many hands the Villain will 4-bet that we are ahead of, and I don't relish flipping for stacks or getting it in bad this close to the big money. Of course you have to consider that your 3-bet will win the pot right there a significant number of times, and Villain will flat your raise sometimes as well.

    Not sure I agree about the 38-39% equity being enough to call a 4-bet jam this close to the big prizes, since what that means in the real world is that you have an almost two-out-of-three chance of losing most of your big stack on the final table bubble, which would be ICM suicide and would also be a drag and make you feel bad.

    So flat, and don`t worry too much about it. You don`t need to do anything drastic or take any big chances right now, you`re doing just fine. Let the game come to you.
    Right, I didn't factor icm into that, just purely calce'd ev. Fair point. Still some merit to mention what % we need to have to break even on a call.
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    08-29-2018 , 10:15 AM
    Exploitive 3bet/fold is fine against a weak reg or rec player. Against a stronger player, I absolutely 3bet/call and expect a fair amount of 4betting light.
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    08-29-2018 , 03:48 PM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by poloplaya1414
    Exploitive 3bet/fold is fine against a weak reg or rec player. Against a stronger player, I absolutely 3bet/call and expect a fair amount of 4betting light.
    I'm not sure how much the vill in this situation is going to 4 bet light regardless of how "strong" of a player he is given the circumstances.
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    08-29-2018 , 04:51 PM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by underdeveloped
    I'm not sure how much the vill in this situation is going to 4 bet light regardless of how "strong" of a player he is given the circumstances.
    I'm not sure either bob, but I wouldn't expect a good player to let me 3bet them all day with impunity.
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    08-30-2018 , 10:28 AM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by poloplaya1414
    I'm not sure either bob, but I wouldn't expect a good player to let me 3bet them all day with impunity.
    I would expect them to let me 3bet them a good majority of the day without impunity. The spot frequently plays itself.
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    08-30-2018 , 02:12 PM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by poloplaya1414
    I'm not sure either bob, but I wouldn't expect a good player to let me 3bet them all day with impunity.
    It seems like a ego thing I'm personally very fine playing postflop IP with quite stronger range if he'll go bananas with 3bets, don't have some big urge to 4bet a ton IP here. Problem with going crazy with 4bets in this spot is that BB is polarized AF here and without some previous reads we can't be certain what is his value/bluffs ratio or how does he construct his range ( we might be making huge mistakes ). My overall poker philosophy in low/midstakes mtts is to make less mistakes than the ppl around me.

    Basicly i'm completly fine flatting QQ here IP since BB gotta be sincere postflop, so if he overbluffs he'll lose more overall if we're opening and defending properly (not overfolding vs 3bets). Obv I'll adjust if I have info, but if so, it seems lot better to 4b jam KQo / A5s / 89s than TT vs BBs polarized range
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    08-30-2018 , 03:20 PM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by nomalice
    It seems like a ego thing I'm personally very fine playing postflop IP with quite stronger range if he'll go bananas with 3bets, don't have some big urge to 4bet a ton IP here. Problem with going crazy with 4bets in this spot is that BB is polarized AF here and without some previous reads we can't be certain what is his value/bluffs ratio or how does he construct his range ( we might be making huge mistakes ). My overall poker philosophy in low/midstakes mtts is to make less mistakes than the ppl around me.

    Basicly i'm completly fine flatting QQ here IP since BB gotta be sincere postflop, so if he overbluffs he'll lose more overall if we're opening and defending properly (not overfolding vs 3bets). Obv I'll adjust if I have info, but if so, it seems lot better to 4b jam KQo / A5s / 89s than TT vs BBs polarized range
    I hear you, but if we're 3bet/folding JJ, 4bet bluffing becomes extremely exploitively profitable.
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    08-30-2018 , 03:56 PM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by poloplaya1414
    I hear you, but if we're 3bet/folding JJ, 4bet bluffing becomes extremely exploitively profitable.
    yeah thats why i prefer flatting jj
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    08-30-2018 , 04:48 PM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by nomalice
    yeah thats why i prefer flatting jj
    Well I think that leaves far too much money on the table.
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    08-31-2018 , 05:22 PM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by poloplaya1414
    Well I think that leaves far too much money on the table.
    You're not leaving it on the table, you're letting them hang on to it for you until you are in a better spot. Don't forget that the chips you have are a lot more valuable than the chips you don't have at this late stage of the game.
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