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Jam the river ? Jam the river ?

11-29-2017 , 11:42 AM
***** Hand History for Game 1111111111 ***** (Poker Stars)
Tourney Hand NL Texas Hold'em - Tuesday, November 28, 11:51:34 ET 2017
Table 2108445108 52 (Real Money)
Seat 1 is the button
Seat 1: Player1 ( 3162 ) - VPIP: 40, PFR: 20, 3B: 0, AF: 1.0, Hands: 20
Seat 2: Player2 ( 2840 ) - VPIP: 10, PFR: 10, 3B: 0, AF: 0.0, Hands: 10
Seat 4: Player4 ( 3503 ) - VPIP: 14, PFR: 7, 3B: 0, AF: 0.0, Hands: 43
Seat 5: Player5 ( 5651 ) - VPIP: 30, PFR: 16, 3B: 5, AF: 2.0, Hands: 43
Seat 6: Hero ( 10687 ) - VPIP: 34, PFR: 21, 3B: 9, AF: 2.0, Hands: 12970
Seat 7: Player7 ( 3654 ) - VPIP: 31, PFR: 26, 3B: 12, AF: 1.7, Hands: 39
Seat 8: Player8 ( 4402 ) - VPIP: 24, PFR: 17, 3B: 13, AF: 2.0, Hands: 42
Seat 9: Player9 ( 3287 ) - VPIP: 26, PFR: 15, 3B: 17, AF: 1.3, Hands: 39
Player1 posts ante of [12].
Player2 posts ante of [12].
Player4 posts ante of [12].
Player5 posts ante of [12].
Hero posts ante of [12].
Player7 posts ante of [12].
Player8 posts ante of [12].
Player9 posts ante of [12].
Player2 posts small blind [50].
Player4 posts big blind [100].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Hero [ Ac Js ]
Player5 raises [250]
Hero calls [250]
Player7 folds
Player8 folds
Player9 folds
Player1 folds
Player2 folds
Player4 calls [150]
** Dealing Flop ** [ 2d, 2s, Jc ]
Player4 checks
Player5 checks
Hero bets [349]
Player4 folds
Player5 calls [349]
** Dealing Turn ** [ 6h ]
Player5 checks
Hero bets [845]
Player5 calls [845]
** Dealing River ** [ 5c ]
Player5 checks
Hero checks
Player5 shows [Qd, Jh ]
Hero shows [Ac, Js ]
Hero wins 3284 from main pot


Immediately after the hand I realized I made a mistake we should jam the river for max value exactly from hands like QJ KJ... I guess I checked in case he was slow playing over pair , I would appreciate feedback thanks
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11-29-2017 , 11:49 AM
Fold pre. As played I think a river jam would be good as we only have 1 1/2 pot bet left.
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11-29-2017 , 11:53 AM
ez bet/shove river depending on stacks. Villain should NEVER have overpairs so we are only losing to like 6 combos max if we include the 2 j6ss combos left which he might not even have
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11-29-2017 , 11:57 AM
Fold pre ?
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11-29-2017 , 12:01 PM
Fold pre. As played I think a river jam would be good as we only have 1 1/2 pot bet left.

Why ??!?! UTG + 2 early in the tournament I just flatted
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11-29-2017 , 12:09 PM
Yes, fold pre (Maybe 3-bet). Not only is a UTG range going to have you dominated a lot, but you also have to worry about 7 other players left to act waking up with a better hand.
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11-29-2017 , 01:31 PM
Calling pre is pretty bad, tbh. 3-betting might be ok, but I think we have better hands we can 3-bet bluff with. (and 3-betting AJo here would be a bluff)

Flop is fine, you can check back sometimes as well. Turn is fine.

Not enamored with river overshove, I guess you can get exactly KJ/QJ-type hands to call sometimes, but pretty much everything else folds and all of the better or chopping hands (AJ, JJ, 66, 55) are going to call. I'd actually lean towards betting thin to get KJ/QJ or maybe even second pair hands to hero and then deciding if we get jammed on.

EDIT: Also, keep in mind villain check/called flop so that makes Jx hands less likely to be in their range, as you'd expect villain's good Jx plus overpairs to be leading. So a two street c/c range here is really likely to be marginal hands (that many not call a third barrel) and trapped hands that'll snap you off.

Last edited by jpgiro; 11-29-2017 at 01:45 PM.
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11-30-2017 , 11:57 AM
flat AJs pre, 3bet/fold AJo pre. As played I'm jamming river for sure.
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11-30-2017 , 09:20 PM
Considering that villain was BB and defended for 150 more into pot of 800, you can't discount the possibility that villain was playing A2 or K2s and flopped trips, which would explain why he's check-calling flop and turn on this very safe board, hoping that hero keeps betting. It's only a few combos, but whenever the BB comes along for cheap, he could have any two cards, so shove for value idea needs to factor in the chances of getting the value vs. the chances that you're shoving into a better hand.
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11-30-2017 , 11:28 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by KevinGChapman
Considering that villain was BB and defended for 150 more into pot of 800, you can't discount the possibility that villain was playing A2 or K2s and flopped trips, which would explain why he's check-calling flop and turn on this very safe board, hoping that hero keeps betting. It's only a few combos, but whenever the BB comes along for cheap, he could have any two cards, so shove for value idea needs to factor in the chances of getting the value vs. the chances that you're shoving into a better hand.
Villiain was UTG. The BB folded on the flop.
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12-01-2017 , 04:28 PM
sorry, was confused by hand history display and (obviously) thought it was the BB in the hand as villain. Since villain raised UTG, ignore prior post. He's not likely to be playing a deuce.
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12-01-2017 , 05:02 PM
Yes sorry about how I have posted the hand next time I will make it more clear .Than you all for the feedback !!
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