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Interesting spots in Big 50 with 21 players left Interesting spots in Big 50 with 21 players left

06-14-2019 , 06:47 PM
First hand:
8 handed with 28 left in the big 50
Hero seat 5: blinds at 1million and 2million BBante
sitting with 52million in chips I believe I was third in chips at my table. Folds to me on the cut off and I raise to 2.4million with K8 diamonds. everyone folds and Big blind calls. this player just moved to our table about 30mins ago so not really any reads.His stack is around 27million.
Flop is Q77 with one diamond. villain checks Hero c bets 2.4million and villain calls. Turn is an Ace of spades.villain checks and hero decides to fire again for 9.4 million....Villain than jams all in. Hero folds.
I felt like I could represent the ace on the turn alot with the way I took the line. I'm just not sure if I really just played this bad or should I be checking back the flop and then fire turn?

second hand:
hero moves tables because of table redraw: 27 left in Big 50
blinds are 1.5million and 2.5million
Hero sitting with 64million i had just doubled up by calling a shove with AQ... Villian shoved his 50million stack with AK and I was able to flop a Queen for a double up. with my double up it pushed me to around top 12 in chips with about 21 players left in the Big 50. Very next hand under the gun plus 2 I wake up with QQ and decide to open shove for around 23bigs....villain directly to my right snap calls and wakes up with AA.
Did I play this hand way to fast preflop? should I be raising first? with my place bumping me to top 12 out of 21 considering pay jumps does this play a factor with me going with QQ for an all in or calling a all in if I 4bet a villian that 3bets pre, if I did raise instead of open jam?
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06-14-2019 , 07:21 PM
Hand 1- what is big blind. Is it 500k/1 mill? First I probably would min open here so shallow. I feel adding more than a 2x is kind pointless as most people are going to defend regardless. I think I like 1/3 pot Cbet in position here and firing small again on turn when called as the A is a great card to fire again. As played yea I would fold. Make sure you aren’t sizing too big as you should try to bet the least so when you have to muck you lose less. I like sizing the same for made strong hands and bluffs imo.

Also hand 1 I wouldn’t be against checking flop and betting when checked to us on turn. It’s an easy pitch when Villian shows resistance.

Hand 2- open shoving QQ in my opinion is kinda bad. What do we expect to be called by? Probably 10-10+ ak+ which isn’t a range we are doing great against. Maybe only jj+ honestly. I would min open to induce. Regardless, you were going to lose this hand bc if you min open, AA prolly jams or 3bets and we should plop here so shallow.

Nice run op! Pretty impressive to go so deep in a minefield event like the big 50.
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06-14-2019 , 10:41 PM
You’re supposed to go like 25/33 % otf and 33% again ott for hand 1
Hand 2 just min raise or 2.2 x you can’t really fold anywhere w 22bb so you’re just gonna have to get stacked there very often but open shoving isn’t maximizing your ev
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06-15-2019 , 12:22 AM
Also in hand 2. You lose so much value when you open rip. Like idk how anyone could justify this play. You have the 3rd best hand in Holden. Example what if bb has jq or aj? You open rip 23bbs and it’s an ez fold. If you min open and they defend, you have potential to stack on J high boards.

I know you might somehow lose to a bb defend if they somehow flop 2 pair say on a low board but these are the risks you have to take. You punt so much value when you open rip and let people play perfect against you. People tend to call shoves semi tight late in mtts. 77 or 88 is probably an ez fold to a 23 bb shove. Don’t let Villians off the hook here.

If you are scared make it 3x I guess but don’t open rip qq here. It’s just spewing value and you give no one the ability to 3bet or 3bet jam on you.
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06-15-2019 , 12:52 AM
Yeah hand 1 is standard most people would take the same line, could argue checking one of those streets like flop and rep A on turn by betting, or fire flop check turn to rep A but afraid of trips. Hand 2 oh boy that's something you would see in live poker lol you got plenty of chips, just min raise and go from there
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06-15-2019 , 12:38 PM
H1. You should probably open a lot tighter in general until you get a better understanding of ranges and how they relate to various board textures. If btn and blinds were super tight then prob will be a profitable open for you.

H2. I guess you should include QQ at some frequency (if you have a ~20bb open shoving strat.) If you don't then I think you should be opening a very tight range, hence your open sizing should be > min.
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06-15-2019 , 01:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Jkpoker10
Hand 1- what is big blind. Is it 500k/1 mill? First I probably would min open here so shallow. I feel adding more than a 2x is kind pointless as most people are going to defend regardless. I think I like 1/3 pot Cbet in position here and firing small again on turn when called as the A is a great card to fire again. As played yea I would fold. Make sure you aren’t sizing too big as you should try to bet the least so when you have to muck you lose less. I like sizing the same for made strong hands and bluffs imo.

Also hand 1 I wouldn’t be against checking flop and betting when checked to us on turn. It’s an easy pitch when Villian shows resistance.

Hand 2- open shoving QQ in my opinion is kinda bad. What do we expect to be called by? Probably 10-10+ ak+ which isn’t a range we are doing great against. Maybe only jj+ honestly. I would min open to induce. Regardless, you were going to lose this hand bc if you min open, AA prolly jams or 3bets and we should plop here so shallow.

Nice run op! Pretty impressive to go so deep in a minefield event like the big 50.
I agree with everything he said, I'm also about the check flop then bet/fold turn on hand 1 or checking back turn and check/fold river. He has to defend there pretty wide, yet at the same time he only has 13bb left, once he calls cbet on flop, it's not a matter of repping anything, he sure as **** is committed and either going to rep something himself back at you or has a made hand.

hand 2, also you're too deep to open shove QQ there, way too deep for anyone to read it as desperation shoving K8s, which when you had the same amount of bbs just did a standard raise - I think at a lot of tournies you can get called off pretty light there, but in the Big 50 nobody is looking to get too out of line from boredom or whatever so I think worst that calls you with enough chips to cover you there has AK at worst... maybe they think you're a maniac and call with AQ or JJ, but unlikely

congrats on the deep finish, very jealous, want to head out there and finally play the circuit next year
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06-15-2019 , 03:24 PM
ICM makes it closer to want to shove QQ there but I think I'd still rather induce
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06-16-2019 , 02:29 AM
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Originally Posted by JoeC2012
ICM makes it closer to want to shove QQ there but I think I'd still rather induce
I'm a strong believer that people often use ICM as an excuse for bad poker decisions - not disagreeing with you here in this spot, but I'm not consulting ICM when deciding to jam or do normal raise with QQ in that spot
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06-16-2019 , 02:07 PM
first hand I either fold pre or bet it.
I check flop.
I check or fold turn.
check or fold river.

second hand im getting my chips in as a dog. will only bet 2.5BB to 3BB and probably get raised by AA and then im shoving or snap calling.

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If btn and blinds were super tight then prob will be a profitable open for you
if they are tight i would be more inclined to bet it. if they are loose i would be more inclined to fold it.

if im wanting to create a loose image i would bet it.
if i have been loose and feel i have a loose image in their eyes i might fold it. noticing them not or wanting to play the hand also is something to consider. with the QQ hand the second hand noticing the opponent is going to play the hand is not something i would consider. im wanting to get all the chips in but not by open shoving.

Last edited by R3M0T3; 06-16-2019 at 02:18 PM.
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06-18-2019 , 09:10 PM
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Originally Posted by rickroll
I'm a strong believer that people often use ICM as an excuse for bad poker decisions - not disagreeing with you here in this spot, but I'm not consulting ICM when deciding to jam or do normal raise with QQ in that spot
I know exactly what you mean, you see people make silly folds every WSOP. Having said that, I'd wager the average reg factors in ICM too little, not too much.
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06-23-2019 , 01:34 PM
Hand 1, K8s open from CO is a little loose. Aside from that, it looks fine. I like betting the ace turn.

Hand 2, open shove with QQ for 23xBB is just terrible. Easy raise / 4-bet shove. I don't think if you should be open pushing anything for 23xBB, but if you do, is needs to be a strong hand, but not the top of your range.
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06-24-2019 , 12:28 PM
Congrats on the deep run first off!

Hand 1 should be a fold pre unless we have information that blinds are over folding. You should be sizing down your turn bet significantly.

Hand 2 is a huge disaster. Not the result because that was going to happen either way in this cooler spot. But as previously stated, this line pushes out all value hands in our opponent's ranges that we want to play against us. Our opponents can only call with AA, KK, AK and maybe (but probably not) JJ. We are crushed by 2 of these hands & flipping with the AK combos.
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06-24-2019 , 12:48 PM
Hand 1:
I'm fine with the way you played it except I would be smaller on the turn. I might check the the flop some % of the time.

Hand 2: You should raise smaller. But the result is probably going to be the same. You raise, he re-raise and you shove. Unless you raise and you are going to tell me that it's some old guy that you have a history with, I don't see anyway you are going to be folding here.
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07-01-2019 , 12:04 AM
Congrats on running deep.
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