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07-29-2020 , 04:58 PM

LiveMTTer

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I was watching a HR FT on Stars and the following hand came up; thought it was an interesting ICM spot and I'm interested to hear what you guys think:

6 left - 6th place money is 37k and 5th place is 48k

blinds are 60k / 120k / 15k ante

LJ folds

HJ has 9

and 434k - 3.5bb

CO just lost an all in and after posting ante has 5k left

all other stacks are bigger than HJ's 3.5bb

What hands do we shove here if we are HJ? AA only: or is even that a fold given the CO stack size?

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07-29-2020 , 06:11 PM

persianpunisher

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Take the stack sizes and payouts. Plug them into ICMizer or HRC. Ez game

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07-30-2020 , 02:57 AM

maletaja81

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You mean CO is sitting less than ante and can fold if 99 pushes?
Its interesting spot. For my suprise IF HJ has 3.5BB and CO has 0.1 ante left(so he have option to fold). Other stack are all 20BB
HJ range is quite high 55+,A4s.a8o...KT.QJs
And yes! ante has calling range 66+,A9s,AT,KQs
I can understand HJ pushing range-still you want to fight for first spot, for example if he doubles he has shot to win the event. But cannot understands ante calling range. It seems ultra light. But that HRC says

BTW can you post some youtube video. Interesting to see sometimes how hihrollers are playing

Last edited by maletaja81; 07-30-2020 at 03:04 AM.

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07-30-2020 , 09:54 AM

LiveMTTer

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This is the FT my post refers too: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XJRhGRxvQl0
This all happens around the 1hour 27minute mark.

I don't think the ranges can have been right that you plugged into HRC as folding 99 earns HJ earns him 8k as CO can fold as he has 1/3 of an ante left. Also, even if HJ did shove and doubled up he still only has 8bb.

I would imagine AA is a shove; KK maybe - fold everything else.

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07-30-2020 , 10:38 AM

maletaja81

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Yes it was 17% shove
Take it or leave it.

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07-31-2020 , 09:45 AM

mtgalex

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Since CO have a couple of ante left you have to tighten up but not very tight.

Basically discard the bluffing part of the shoving range and say (without actually saying) "look I have a real hand don't call me wide if you don't want to lose money".

And this really depend on if the rest of the players actually understand you and call you tighter.

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07-31-2020 , 11:28 AM

maletaja81

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I can understand even that push
a) you have quite relative good hand
Opponent could be folding, if they call with crap you will get great odds.
Yes you are talking about "INSTA" 8k cash , but another way you dont want to play for first price
Double gives you around 8-9 BB, and another double and you complete with other guys.

So computer is very tolerate about pushing not calling.
I tried to simulate other combos lets say UTG with 4BB goes all-in you have action and ante guy is behind
Even that case i didnt see KK+ rather TT+ AK,AK+

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07-31-2020 , 12:32 PM

harddude

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I'm always looking to close. 99s are a great hand to close with. I'm aiming to close this hand then close the tournament after a number of other hands.

Get that close. Don't worry about rejection and don't focus on the money. Close the tournament, put the tournament trophy in the cabinet and set a new target and meet it. It's a never ending road. But very much worth every second of it.

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07-31-2020 , 04:49 PM

LiveMTTer

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I get that 99 is strong, HJ only has 3.5bb and play for the win etc.

BUT

HJ shoves 3.5bb, CO can fold - 3.5 doesn't really dent any of the other stacks - BB can then call an extra 2.5bb super wide - even 1 over card gives him a 30% chance of knocking HJ out. Even if HJ wins he has 8.5bb - still second shortest stack - the risk reward doesn't seem to even out shoving here.

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08-03-2020 , 03:03 AM

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mtgalex

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Originally Posted by LiveMTTer

You also have the case everyone fold and you picked up 2bb which is huge here (I would grant this is not too often, maybe 30% of the time), or BB calls with two under cards like 78s and you are absolutely crushing him. Even if he have one over card it is not like you are losing much in equity since you are well compensated with chips ev.

It is not like you shove over many players, excluding the CO there are 3, and it is only the BB that is mostly calling you.

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