My opponent on the river is a very good reg, the other guy a really fishy and loose but otherwise unknown player. This is the Wed $109 $20k.

This is definitely the worst ace I'd open and it's possibly/likely a fold pre but I'm really trying to make a concerted effort to push the limits of my opening ranges, even in these really reggy ACR fields. I was thinking there are few if any reshove stacks so I'm highly likely to at least get a chance to play a SRP with a hand that flops well and often finds itself in a barreling range.

Pretty sure checking flop is a mistake, was going for essentially a check-my-range strategy but upon review, feel like 4x are a slamdunk bet for equity denial against two-over combos, value from FDs, and value from random floats. This texture is more conducive to being cbet than say [AAx] or [KKx] or [QQx] because even in a really wide flatting range 9x shouldn't be too heavily represented. Maybe flop is a mix?

Think turn is OK. Could argue for bigger sizing or even minsizing but I feel like 25% pot is best for my range since this is a multiway pot and also we can more easily balance this sizing than with larger sizing

River I'm really not sure, feel like it might be butchered but OTOH I think V is pretty well-concentrated towards flushes, Kx, 3rd pair and just sheerly worse hands than A4 like AQ, AJ and unblocking 33, 55, 66, 77 (which admittedly might not be there pre) and potentially repping {Ac2c-Ac3c, Ac7c-Ac8c, AcTc-AcJc, AcQc, QcJc, QcTc, JcTc, 8c7c, A9s,T9s, 98s, 44, 99, 88, KK, AA, AK} that turning our worst made hands (this one is basically the nut low) into bluffs is OK. But we do have a blocker problem unblocking clubs. And we will arrive at river with some amount of {AQ, AJ, AT, QJ, QT} which all may wanna bluff with first priority over A4.

Winning Poker Network (Yatahay) - 350/700 NL - Holdem - 8 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

SB: 42.8 BB (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 4)
BB: 37.81 BB (VPIP: 23.40, PFR: 16.28, 3Bet Preflop: 20.00, Hands: 47)
Hero (UTG): 20.35 BB
UTG+1: 34.98 BB (VPIP: 18.48, PFR: 10.38, 3Bet Preflop: 3.90, Hands: 635)
MP: 30.08 BB (VPIP: 22.34, PFR: 13.69, 3Bet Preflop: 8.38, Hands: 464)
MP+1: 22.12 BB (VPIP: 8.57, PFR: 7.35, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 71)
CO: 23.32 BB (VPIP: 27.08, PFR: 12.50, 3Bet Preflop: 4.76, Hands: 96)
BTN: 45.29 BB (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 4)

8 players post ante of 0.13 BB, SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 2.53 BB) Hero has A 4

Hero raises to 2 BB, UTG+1 calls 2 BB, fold, fold, fold, fold, SB calls 1.5 BB, fold

Flop: (8.03 BB, 3 players) 9 9 4
SB checks, Hero checks, UTG+1 checks

Turn: (8.03 BB, 3 players) 8
SB checks, Hero bets 2.01 BB, UTG+1 calls 2.01 BB, fold

River: (12.04 BB, 2 players) K
Hero bets 16.22 BB and is all-in, fold

Hero wins 12.04 BB

Seems fine. I'm too lazy/cheap to run solvers so I dunno if you're supposed to have AK with this action by the river, but I bet a villain playing 18/10/4 thinks you do, so they will perceive the K as an awful card, so overbluffing is a-ok.

Thanks man, means a lot

I know I can't add too much value telling you what solvers say, so I'm just out here trying to give you my perceptions of the player pool . Nice hand

I think the open is too wide here.. unless we have fairly decent reads about the table im not sure this is a profitable open.. if we open this wide then our pfr from this seat is going to be blown out of proportion. With this stack we dont we want to be doing a heap of r/f as alot of the time our range has to fold getting close to the right price etc which is bad.. so reigning in our rfi ranges, developing reship ranges and weighting our opens to r/c instead of r/f with this specific stack is seems like a good adjustment. The open becomes much better the deeper we get imo..

As played it looks like a cb otf, we flopped 2p and either opponents looks fairly capped and should not have too many combos of 9x. If we bet range at 33 - 25% we need a =<25% success rate for breakeven and so if both opponent folding rate is 50% then we are making money and equity denial with our hand should be a thing, esp when we don't hold a club

Think we absolutely want to be betting flop here with a ton of our range, maybe a touch bigger just so we can get closer to a pot size shove on later streets. Our second pair-type hands really benefit from protection here.

As played I'm not sure I love turning our hand into a bluff, we're really not getting that many combos that beat us to fold as you'd expect UTG+1 to 3-bet more than flat with overpairs and 55-77 could hero us some percentage of the time if they have club blockers. Especially since we shouldn't take this line with our overpairs very often so we look very polar here. I'd actually argue c/f this particular hand and look to bluff catch with our pairs w/club.

Feel like the majority of hands here you're getting folds from are pairs. Tough for V to x/c turn without FD or hand with SDV. I think one of my biggest leaks is checking hands last to act on river when I overvalue my SDV and this is a classic example. I haven't run anything on this hand, but think river is fine.

What does V do on turn with KQ, KJ, AKo, AKs-AJs (not clubs)?

I think the flop needs to be a bet. There are pretty much no turn cards that you are happy to see. Even if you hit an Ace, you will be out kicked. Bet 3 BB on the flop and try and win the hand. On the river, I think there are a ton of draws that the villain could have missed with. I think you will get an 8 to fold and a small PP. But I don't think you need to over bluff the river. I think they will still fold the same pair if you bet 6BB the majority of the time.
No one is every folding a 9 or a flush and probably not a King.

Thx all so far.

Hopefully I still have my PIO run of this hand loaded on my server if not I'll have to rebuild.

IIRC, the equilibrium solution was for sure A4 is a pure jam (which TBH I as quite pleased to see) and I think counterintuitively AJ-AQ are mostly if not pure checking, and also make AA our best bluff catcher by pure checking AA. Which I think is weird--why would we prefer to bluff with a made hand before worse? The only reason I can surmise is AQ and AJ really heavily block those same hands which are V's two most likely unmade hand combos (QJ and JT and in there too), the blocking effect for A4 is a lil less.

Another interesting corollary is: how far can we go down in our range for value here? Like can we ever ship QQ if we have so much AQ-AT or worse and therefore perhaps V has to hero with like TT or JJ? Because Tt or JJ for V are discounted already pre and also block my bluffing range. Is AK a shove or a nifty bluffcatcher? I doubt V folds a K, I doubt I would.

Is jam the only sizing I have OTR or can I split my range still? I cant remember what the sim said, but obv there was significant frequency in the jamming node and I dont remember about the other sizing options. We can maybe work this into a thin value/blockbet range for like 25% pot along with some Kx and flushes or something?

Here's the river strategy:

Hero Strategy:



V response to hero shove



When I said above A4 are a pure shove, I was actually looking at 44 (which are an obvious shove), my bad.

OTR both player's ranges are about 50% better than A-high and 50% worse. So checking our middling SDV including A4 makes sense.

Looks like we can occasionally go for value with a jam as light as TT, with the expectation of being called occasionally as light a 55, so that my bluffs (which are QT, QJ, and the worst A-high in my range) don't run V over.

V's strategy will look pretty similar if checked to, and if V shoves A4 are a breakeven to slightly winning call at equilibrium.

Oh and also flop is a range cbet