Merge is a piece of **** so no HHS

Final table of 16.50 freezout
Pay structure is way top heavy per standard merge formats
Villain turns out to be a big midstakes winner
Him and I have 35bb and 50bb stacks (biggest two on table) w couple 20bb stacks and a couple shorties as well
He's playing a good game mostly under the radar but def not shy.

Hand before I 3b folded to his 4b and for fun showed some sooted stuff

Oh and by the way. Villain raises from mp2 and I 3b the hijack.

Few orbits later
6/1200 a?
Villain ( 36k) raises 2400
Hero (51k) ) raises 4999
Villain raises-all in

What's bottom of hero's calling range
What is a good 4b shove range for villain


What's villains shoving range? Or what would yours be?

With that 3b sizing I think we call JJ+/AK.
With history he`s shoving TT+/AQs.

P.S. Dereds would kill you.

what positions are we now?
how many runners left?

assuming he is mp and we otb or co, a good 4bet shove range for him is 55+, AT+, KQs+. making a call with 77+, AJs+ profitable. but i still have a hard time thinking they shove this wide so we might need to tighten our callin range just a bit to like 88+, AQ+. if he snap shoved im more inclined to call looser but if he time bank shoved, tighter.

my shoving range here though, id more inclined to shove wider the first go around than the 2nd. but it would be something like 22+, A9s+, QTs+, KQ. because its merge....

They`re 2 CL, what 55+/AT?

lol what u mean

yea. your on merge with top heavy payouts....in a $16.5 mtt, your talking about like $600 for first. considering the guy is a winning mid stakes player + the slight history between OP and villian, i dont think clashing with another CL is a big deal. structures are pretty poor on merge too so.

basically on there at a FT, with light 3betting history from HERO....not 4betting wide here would be a mistake.

Yup. Well he 4b shoved q10 dd and won the race.
Interesting.
How glorious of a 4b shove is this w q10s?

its really not that bad. your 3betting range is way wide so your folding a ton. when you do call QTdd is like 35%. assuming your calling range is something like 77+, AT+ but from his perspective u might fold AT. hes in bad shape against JJ+, AQ+ really.

Against particular villain I would only be 3-betting a real tight value range something like JJ+ and AK. Flatting hands IP that have him beat most the time (would prefer to play post with anything I don't absolutely love getting in) and 3-bet/folding the bottom of my range. I think it would be a mistake to get in a spot where you are 3-bet/calling AT, AJ, 88, etc.... getting in a coinflip spot is something you should be avoiding with how much room your stack gives you to just dominate the table as most players are going to need to fold when you open or ship over you which is tough to do when everyone has an even stack minus the two big stacks and there is a pay jump for every spot.

^^^
exactly
I 3b ak And he insta jammed q10dd
After I felt like I put my self in a somewhat icky spot where he can really make my life terrible (with the stacks being how try were)
Is there a diff sizing I could have thought about or is it just ul nh

You played it perfect imo. Just unlucky. Also it's not even a crazy ICM spot or anything since you are still in an ok spot relative to the table. It sounds like villain has 70BB's+, you have 15BB's, a couple 20BB's, and a couple shorties. Especially with pay scale being top heavy you just put yourself in as a favorite to have an 85+ BB stack and run over the table. NH

Thx cali!