How would you play this? Turn/River
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Local $220
100 runners - 25 left
Hero: BB, KdTh, 205000
Villain: SB 270000 (Only been at the table for five hands and never seen her play before)
Blinds: 2500/5000
Villain raises to 13000, I call
Pot 28500
Flop: JdQc7d
V bets 14000, I call
Pot: 56500
Turn: Qd
V bets 22000, I call
Pot: 100500
River: 6d
V bets 68000, Hero??
Thanks
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I’d fold this to a random she in a 220 buy-in, might be live read time
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Is this kings poker pub tournies?
There is a non 0% chance we are drawing dead ott so il proly just pitch it there when the board pairs, we have better hands to call like Qx and some Jx
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Yeah, we get one of the best rivers in the deck and can’t even call, that would be a good fold argument on the turn
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I wouldn't shove and I wouldn't fold...
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Yeah I was very happy when the flush came but that bet was very surprising and I was not prepared for it.
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Once villain bets 68K here you can't try to bluff. It's a preemptive bet. Done. I think I fold turn. Chasing open-enders there seems marginal.
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As played... hmm I see nothing wrong with X raising flop. You didn’t really say Villians position and your position so it’s hard to analyze this hand. I’m not a fan of x calling big draws like this as Villian most likely shuts down if you hit a straight without a big hand.
I think k-10’is an ok spot to call here against a Villian that is not a nit. As played, prolly x raising flop is good with intentions to barrel if need be.
Again you need to post positions. If villain is opening utg and hero is flatting from my, this is comically bad on a 40bb stack. If Villian is opening from Mp to lp, and Villian is sb or bb.... this is much different.
River here..... meh prolly not jamming. Not sure Villian is calling with worse.
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As played, I call. I would risk 1/2 stack w 2nd nut given its a female betting each street w/o regard to the composition of the board changing. She does not call a shove on river w worse so no need to consider a river jam.
The live read I would rely on would be the heart check on any street and her reaction to the same. She would do a heart check on every hand including aq (on turn) except red aa, jj or 77 (i never put her on 77 w preflop raise and never slowing down when q hits).
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She had two black aces by the way, so nice bet, I folded.
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assuming that since she has raised before you, as you mention that you call her raise, wecan assume she is in early position, like utg, utg+1-2 (you havnt really specified). In this case just fold preflop, k10 off is just brining money here facing am early postion raise. If we are calling call flop, fold turn
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Originally Posted by Jkpoker10
As played... hmm I see nothing wrong with X raising flop. You didn’t really say Villians position and your position so it’s hard to analyze this hand. I’m not a fan of x calling big draws like this as Villian most likely shuts down if you hit a straight without a big hand.
I think k-10’is an ok spot to call here against a Villian that is not a nit. As played, prolly x raising flop is good with intentions to barrel if need be.
Again you need to post positions. If villain is opening utg and hero is flatting from my, this is comically bad on a 40bb stack. If Villian is opening from Mp to lp, and Villian is sb or bb.... this is much different.
River here..... meh prolly not jamming. Not sure Villian is calling with worse.
Villain is SB
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Preflop: fine
Flop: I may consider a small raise, she may fold or you can take a free card.
turn: Her bet is too small to fold her.
River: For me this is a call sb vs bb. If you fold this, what is your calling range? Just the Ad or a full house?
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Calling turn and folding river makes 0 sense. The entire point of calling the turn is to win chips when you hit. She can even be value betting worse, which she did(Maybe she was bluffing with AA?).
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Sorry OP I missed we picked up 2nd nfd ott, its fine to call again for that sizing and fold non diamond turns. As such we should be calling that river now
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I would consider raising turn.
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Didn't see the results. Id say fold turn bet. Making straight or K high flush you could be drawing dead OTT. I don't like calling on a paired board with a draw from aggression. If you miss your flush or straight, youre most likely going to face that 3rd barrel with K high.
AP: call river bet - youre getting 1:2.5 odds so you only need to be right 29% of the time to break even. Seems like a good spot to call, even though I wouldn't be too delighted, and if you lose the pot, you still have 19ish BBs left.
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I'm in the if you call turn you have to call river camp.
I'm probably calling turn blind vs blind. So when I hit river I start thinking about it and my hands push my chips into the pot. If she has nut flush so be it. Similarly with QJ.
I think if her bet is a bit bigger on the turn I likely fold.
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I reraise after the flop. Even if it's minimum raise. But I'd probably go to something like 38000. You're going to either buy a card on the turn or find out where you're at quickly.
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Also, as played, I agree with others that you should fold that turn Q.
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Bigwig
I reraise after the flop. Even if it's minimum raise. But I'd probably go to something like 38000. You're going to either buy a card on the turn or find out where you're at quickly.
